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Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 10:24:06 AMHe's not so special that if the OL only allows a very amount of time before a QB gets hit that he will be effective.  NFL CBs can tie him early for a split second to screw up any effectiveness.  It's about the OL. 

Yeah I think the context in which the question was asked by different guys was asked so in a way to determine how special the beat writers and talking heads think Nabors can be.

Like is he Garrett Wilson or a Larry Fitzgerald who produced regardless of who was around him or does he need that pairing.

As much as a great qb sometimes needs a great Wr to be elite the same can be said for the Wr. Some though produce regardless and I think it's a little premature to even really know at this point before practices have really even started.

Then I guess all the beat writers and guys covering the Giants have an agenda then because they've all been discussing this very question.

I was watching some of the podcasts and heated and this was mentioned a few times.

Take the Qb out of it, no matter if it's Jones, Lock, or Devito will Nabers produce regardless of the Qb?

How much?

OROY?

Garrett Wilson went for 1042 yards despite having no one to throw him the ball. So is Nabers that talented that he'll get production no matter what?

The only 2 things holding me back from saying yes is the fact that our offense lacks the deep/intermediate routes that help production and that it seems like no matter what Slayton does his production is always capped at 700 and our 2nd wr at 500.

He had 4 offers, he could have easily gone elsewhere and still chose the Eagles.

I do know that he was a waste of money. Even in 2022 when he had that first half resurgence and finished as one of the top backs yardage wise his analytics and EPA were bottoms in the league.

I am glad we are no longer paying money for his services and that we are going to a more modern 2-3 cheap backs system so he won't register with me going forward.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 20, 2024, 05:54:35 PMThey seemed a lot better blocking for Tommy D

Perhaps they raise their game a bit for a decent QB......not a guy afraid to let the ball fly

If you would have done even a simple Google search you would have seen that Devito to 3 times more sacks than Taylor and even more sacks than Jones.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 20, 2024, 05:58:27 PMHow is Creed Humphrey not on this list? Guy is the best or second best center in the league.

He turns 25 before the season starts.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 20, 2024, 05:27:01 PMWhat WR spot does Nabers play primarily?  If he's slot, where does Robinson play?

Who are the 5 OL and do they establish starters early?

Does Theo Johnson become an impact player at TE?

Who gets most reps at 3 tech?

Do Nubin and Philipps become early starters

Nabers, and Wandale were on the field together from what I can tell.

Theo caught a few balls

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 20, 2024, 04:50:06 PMIf a 25 year old rookie running back from an ivy league school and who nobody heard of until a month or two ago makes good in the NFL, it would be a hell of a story, and also one that I'm fairly sure has never happened before, or at least probably not any time in the last 60-70 years.

There's a first time for everything, and it's always fun to root for these underdog/longer shot type guys like Platzgummer, Bryce Ford-Wheaton, Elerson Smith, etc. We'll see what happens. It would be fun to see him somehow make an impact, but I'm not sure I view that as base case.

Elerson Smith and Aaron Robinson are just a couple of what could have been players for this team.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40114750/new-york-giants-qb-tommy-devito-chip-shoulder

Nice article on Devito



Ryan Dunleavy
 noted that Thibs and Burns are glued to the hip pushing each other to be dominant

And that Dante Miller isn't just depth and has a real shot at RB2 vs Tracy.

Takeaways:

Work was done right outside the redzone doing 7/7 and 11/11 drills

Devin Singletary aka motor grabbed the 1st TD of otas.

Alex Johnson the UDFA from UCLA who led the pac 12 in INTs, impressed during rookie camp and continues to stand out now with the first Int of camp. Don't be surprised if he beats someone for a corner job.

Jones got a little work in 7 on 7 with wandale and nabors

Lock however took the lead for the majority of camp throwing to Nabers and everyone else.

The trio of Burns, Thibs, and Lawrence have really gotten close and are said to be building great chemistry up front.

Dru Phillips and Nubin are rooming together and working through the playbook together. It is said that Nubin has been calling some plays, will be interesting to see if it's him or Bobby OK with the calls

He's 5'8 195lbs

Not 5'5 200lbs

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-top-25-players-under-25-2024-nfl-season-sauce-gardner-cj-stroud

https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/5/20/24160656/4-things-to-watch-during-new-york-giants-otas

What are you looking for?

Anything in particular you want to see?

For me I want them to immediately find 5 guys on the line and give them time to gel

Interested in who is getting reps behind Singletary

Who is getting reps at the wr spots

And how the back 7 is going to shake out

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 19, 2024, 04:58:43 PMuntil we see the final 53's who knows.  As it stands we are bottom 5

certainly with Dave Brown uhhhhh Dan Jones at QB we will contend for the 1st pick

I have zero faith in this guy....never saw a QB regress so completely from his rookie season to the mess he became.  I partially blame the coaches, they coached him to dump off and it worked for one season.  Opponents caught on

now he has become the dump off king...its in his DNA now.  he is afraid to release the ball

The NFL has by rule changed to game to reward passing offenses   

You also thought Gary Brightwell was the next Barry Sanders.

Just saying Jones has a significantly better chance of being an elite Qb than Brightwell does of being Barry Sanders.

It also matters where it happened even though it shouldnt. I grew up in Mississippi but spent the past 12 years of my life in Los Angeles. I go back to the Southeast for work and Mississippi when going to most of the Ole Miss games in the fall and the law is completely different.

Los Angeles cops have to deal with so much that they aren't so petty. They aren't going to pull over someone for a failed signal, tag light being out, or anything small/petty.

Mississippi/Southeast cops I have found will find any minor infraction or reason to pull someone over.

These cops were clearly not prepared for what they were dealing with and over reacted to the situation. You would likely have not seen the same reaction to something so insignificant or the rush to detain and arrest if this had been in or around a major metropolitan area.

Just my opinion though.