We have needs at guard, running back, corner, defensive tackle and safety. Who do you guys want? 47 might be too early for running back as you can usually find a good one in the third round or later. At guard I could see a reluctance to keep throwing first and second round picks at the problem. My guess would be corner or defensive tackle.
DT Braden Fiske, DT Kris Jenkins, CB Max Melton and CB Mike Sainristil are a few of the guys I like at 47
DT Darius Robinson, LB Payton Wilson, DT Braden Fiske, DT Kris Jenkins, CB Max Melton, S Cole Bishop, and (fat chance OG Jacson Powers-Johnson or OT/C/OG Graham Barton)
CB, RB, and safety are in play. Personally, I hope the next 2 picks build the trenches at guard and DT.
Quote from: gregf on April 25, 2024, 11:05:42 PMCB, RB, and safety are in play. Personally, I hope the next 2 picks build the trenches at guard and DT.
IMHO there are three very good running ba is in this draft. I know people say you can find a starter in the 4th round but if the goal is to build an offense this year so that who ever they draft next year can transition smoothly than you can't discount a running back. Corum, Benson and Brooks are going to be good backs for the next 6 or 7 years.
I want a beefy DT or secondary
There's still a few picks in the 1st round yet to go but given how things have shaken out to this point I think the Giants go CB in Round 2 provided a good one is still available. I think they know that this team is going to need the defense to carry them which is why they got Burns and signed him to a mega deal. CB opposite Banks is kind of wide open right now and if they can get a solid player there this defense has the potential to be one of the best.
BPA for me, within reason. We have too many needs to use a top 50 pick on a RB for example. I also probably wouldn't draft a center, and there is no QB I would take either under any circumstances. I'd probably avoid taking another WR in this round too given we just took one sixth overall. But any of CB, OG, OT, DT, OLB, etc I'd be down with getting the best of. I view CB as perhaps the single biggest need but hardly the only one.
I think Mike Sainristil will go before Gmen pick. I like a Guard or RB. Keep working on the offense.
Given how unpredictable R1 was it is hard to say.
My guess is one of Tyler Nubin, Mike Sainristil (degenerative knee concern), TJ Tampa or Braden Fiske if there at 47 but a G like Beebe or Haynes or T like Paul is also possible if available.
Will guys like DeJean, McKinstry, Newton keep falling due to their respective injury concerns? If so, how far and how do we feel about the risk/reward? McConkey is in the same boat but surely we will not double dip WR?!
Adonai Mitchell got dinged on character. Will Sweat (expected R2) also get hit (not that we need another massive DT rather than a 3T)?
With only 3 CBs and 1 DT drafted on Thursday night, it shapes up well for the Giants to start Day 2.
If the Giants DO actually want a Guard as an upgrade to what they have, all of them are still on the board, as are all the Safties. That was expected though. There isn't much separation between the top 3 guards, so one of them will probably be there at #47 if they want one.
With the money the Giants have tied up in edge rushers it might be difficult to sign Ojulari after this season. With five guys on the last year of their deal at LB they may go for some depth at Edge/OLB. CB has a similar problem.
For me, getting good CBs and DTs late in the draft rarely happens. McKinstry and DeJean could be the first two picks of Round 2. My preference would be CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr., Missouri or DT Braden Fiske, Florida State in the 2nd, and hope the Guards keep falling and you can pick op a quality one in the 3rd Round.
By position, the value going into Round 2 remains at WR followed by CB and DT.
Quote from: madbadger on April 25, 2024, 10:32:45 PMWe have needs at guard, running back, corner, defensive tackle and safety. Who do you guys want? 47 might be too early for running back as you can usually find a good one in the third round or later. At guard I could see a reluctance to keep throwing first and second round picks at the problem. My guess would be corner or defensive tackle.
I agree with the part in bold
Who do you hope the Giants grab?
Couple premier corners
All the Rbs still left
Few Oline and Dline
I would not be mad if we could grab Dejean to pair with Banks for the next decade. I also wouldn't be mad if we grabbed our pick of the Rbs today.
I want a CB, Cooper Or Ennis or a disruptive DLineman ala Fiske. Hopefully one of the 3 will be available
It's going to be interesting because Schoen is not afraid to move around the chess board. If there's a player he really wants, he'll trade up and if he sees that there isn't great value, he's liable to trade down and add some draft stock
I believe there are a few players left on the board that Schoen craves, and he's a good enough poker player to get what he wants. For me, I'd trade up to get OG Jackson Powers-Johnson who I believe is a better guard than Graham Barton who went in the first. JPJ manhandled the best pass rushers that the Senior Bowl could throw at him. He DOMINATED them over and over. I'm still a little shocked he's still on the board
If the Giants stand pat again, I'd be happy with the best CB (Max Melton, Cooper DeJean [although he's more of a nickel back], Mike Sanistrail??), or a DT, someone like Kris Jenkins, or Braden Fiske
And I'd do my happy dance if they drafted LB Payton Wilson, who I think is the most exciting defensive player in the entire draft
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Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 26, 2024, 10:52:47 AMIt's going to be interesting because Schoen is not afraid to move around the chess board. If there's a player he really wants, he'll trade up and if he sees that there isn't great value, he's liable to trade down and add some draft stock
I believe there are a few players left on the board that Schoen craves, and he's a good enough poker player to get what he wants. For me, I'd trade up to get OG Jackson Powers-Johnson who I believe is a better guard than Graham Barton who went in the first. JPJ manhandled the best pass rushers that the Senior Bowl could throw at him. He DOMINATED them over and over. I'm still a little shocked he's still on the board
If the Giants stand pat again, I'd be happy with the best CB (Max Melton, Cooper DeJean [although he's more of a nickel back], Mike Sanistrail??), or a DT, someone like Kris Jenkins, or Braden Fiske
And I'd do my happy dance if they drafted LB Payton Wilson, who I think is the most exciting defensive player in the entire draft
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Wilson is a fun player to watch but he's torn his ACL twice and because of that I wouldn't use a pick on him before the 5th round. The last thing we need as fans is a player who oozes potential but is always hurt.
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 25, 2024, 10:59:10 PMDT Darius Robinson, LB Payton Wilson, DT Braden Fiske, DT Kris Jenkins, CB Max Melton, S Cole Bishop, and (fat chance OG Jacson Powers-Johnson or OT/C/OG Graham Barton)
Robinson was one of my favorites, but was taken by AZ #27
Tonight I would love it if we took TE Ben Sinnott in the second and OT Roger Rosengarten in the third.
Tomorrow with only 2 picks, if we can get RB Shipley in the 4th and S Kit. Oladapo in the 6th I would be thrilled.
Quote from: GloryDays on April 26, 2024, 12:17:41 PMTonight I would love it if we took TE Ben Sinnott in the second and OT Roger Rosengarten in the third.
Tomorrow with only 2 picks, if we can get RB Shipley in the 4th and S Kit. Oladapo in the 6th I would be thrilled.
Unless something has changed, the Giants have a 5th (Pick 166) also.
Quote from: bamagiantfan on April 26, 2024, 12:39:18 PMUnless something has changed, the Giants have a 5th (Pick 166) also.
You are right Bama, #166.. I thought we gave that in the trade for Burns!
That is great... may be we can add a DT or CB with that pick
Quote from: madbadger on April 26, 2024, 10:59:25 AMWilson is a fun player to watch but he's torn his ACL twice and because of that I wouldn't use a pick on him before the 5th round. The last thing we need as fans is a player who oozes potential but is always hurt.
He'll never last to the 5th. His injury history is not recent, but back in his HS and early college career. He's healthy now, but of course there's a risk. He's dynamic! Micah Parsons dynamic. Paired with Okereke would make a devastating backside to the DL. His speed, instant acceleration, ridiculous athleticism, uncanny nose for the ball, and vicious tackling are elite. If not for his injuries a few years ago, he'd be in the top 15 in the draft. Even with the injuries, he's been ranked as high as 17th on some boards. He's a once-in-a-lifetime LB. Is he worth the risk? I believe so
I've seen him go from the right sideline, all the way to the left sideline to tackle a RB (see attached clip). I've seen him chase down X-receivers on breakaways. And his ability to laser-focus to the ball is uncanny. He is going to be a legend in the NFL
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Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 26, 2024, 01:00:47 PMHe'll never last to the 5th. His injury history is not recent, but back in his HS and early college career. He's healthy now, but of course there's a risk. He's dynamic! Micah Parsons dynamic. Paired with Okereke would make a devastating backside to the DL. His speed, instant acceleration, ridiculous athleticism, uncanny nose for the ball, and vicious tackling are elite. If not for his injuries a few years ago, he'd be in the top 15 in the draft. Even with the injuries, he's been ranked as high as 17th on some boards. He's a once-in-a-lifetime LB. Is he worth the risk? I believe so
I've seen him go from the right sideline, all the way to the left sideline to tackle a RB (see attached clip). I've seen him chase down X-receivers on breakaways. And his ability to laser-focus to the ball is uncanny. He is going to be a legend in the NFL
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I didn't say he'd last till the fifth. I said I wouldn't pick him till the fifth. A big difference, no?
Quote from: madbadger on April 26, 2024, 01:05:04 PMI didn't say he'd last till the fifth. I said I wouldn't pick him till the fifth. A big difference, no?
I've watched a lot of film on him and visited other boards. Two teams have been aggressively discussing why he's the perfect fit for their team (Cowboys and Eagles). Cowboy fans want to pair him with Parsons, and Eagles biggest needs are all in the defensive backfield and need a LB who can get to the QB after losing Reddick
Personally, I don't want my team facing him twice a year and watching him terrorize us
Probably a corner back, especially if Cooper DeJean or K-A McKinstry are still available.
If not, Mike Sainristil (not a typo lol) from Michigan will do, but I'd rather have one of the other two.
If no corners they like are still available, then probably an OL (like Ceri says... either Patrick Paul or Cooper Beebe). I'd prefer Beebe, a true guard IMO.
Bob
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 26, 2024, 01:11:17 PMI've watched a lot of film on him and visited other boards. Two teams have been aggressively discussing why he's the perfect fit for their team (Cowboys and Eagles). Cowboy fans want to pair him with Parsons, and Eagles biggest needs are all in the defensive backfield and need a LB who can get to the QB after losing Reddick
Personally, I don't want my team facing him twice a year and watching him terrorize us
We seem to lead the league in games missed by starters due to injury. Drafting a player who has suffered two significant knee injuries is a pretty good of making sure we remain at the top of that list regardless of when the injuries occurred. IMHO he isn't worth the risk. You think he is. We'll see how he works out for whoever drafts him.
The only throw the remote pick for me would be IOL.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Someone asked for this earlier. Here are some of the #NYGiants "30" visits still on the board entering Day 2
DL Johnny Newton
OL Cooper Beebe
CB Max Melton
CB Andru Phillips
CB Kool-Aid McKinstry
S Jaden Hicks
QB Spencer Rattler
RB Trey Benson
RB Audric Estime
TE Ben Sinnott
TE Theo Johnson
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Nick Falato
@nickfalato
Here are some players that may interest the #Giants tonight on day two:
Top-30 visits (stolen from
@art_stapleton
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DL Johnny Newton
OL Cooper Beebe
CB Max Melton
CB Andru Phillips
CB Kool-Aid McKinstry
S Jaden Hicks
QB Spencer Rattler
RB Trey Benson
RB Audric Estime
TE Ben Sinnott
TE Theo Johnson
IDL Maason Smith
Others that the Giants could target at some point tonight include:
OL Roger Rosengarten
OL Jackson Powers-Johnson
OL Zak Zinter
DL Braden Fiske
DL Kris Jenkins
DL Ruke Orhorhoro
EDGE Adisa Isaac
CB T.J. Tampa
CB Mike Sainristil
CB Cam Hart
CB Kamari Lassiter
CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr.
SAF Cole Bishop
SAF Tyler Nubin
SAF Javon Bullard
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Today we're on the clock at
Rd 2: 15th pick
Rd 3: 6th pick
Had we not traded for Burns (a brilliant move BTW), we would have been picking 7th in the second round as teams with identical records rotate. Having the 15th pick tonight is better than getting poked in the eye with a sharp stick, but it's not ideal. A lot of studs will be picked like vultures taking meat from a kill. Hopefully, there's at least 16 studs
Given the investment this offseason into the OL, I don't see them going that way with a high pick. I think they'll stick to value (i.e. BPA at position of need).
I want a STUD RB & OG
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Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 01:13:52 PMProbably a corner back, especially if Cooper DeJean or K-A McKinstry are still available.
If not, Mike Sainristil (not a typo lol) from Michigan will do, but I'd rather have one of the other two.
If no corners they like are still available, then probably an OL (like Ceri says... either Patrick Paul or Cooper Beebe). I'd prefer Beebe, a true guard IMO.
Bob
With Bredesen having left us, the need for a C/G is much higher than a pure G.
Also, are we sure we have our reliable RT? WITHOUT A SOLID OLINE WE WILL GET SIMILAR RESULTS.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 25, 2024, 10:52:49 PMDT Braden Fiske, DT Kris Jenkins, CB Max Melton and CB Mike Sainristil are a few of the guys I like at 47
I would like Friske as well
DB or interior offensive line. I wouldn't draft a rb until day three.