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Brock Bowers would be the most Jets pick ever.
Are we there yet? Geeze. Plenty might happen. Strap yourself in, time your snack and bathroom breaks. Have the ability in a big spot to multi-task media. <:-P
Question is how much do the Vikings give up to snare a QB?
https://x.com/bigblueview/status/1783643601081176428
AJ Brown just got a new 3 yr 96 mil deal as of a few minutes ago. Average of 32 million a year.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 07:59:15 PMAJ Brown just got a new 3 yr 96 mil deal as of a few minutes ago. Average of 32 million a year.
Feels like five minutes ago that I thought the $25mm/yr numbers being given out to Tyreek Hill and Davante Adams were nuts.
Williams to the Bears to the surprise of no one
Once Washington pick the real draft starts.
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Have u guys been saying the pick to watch is #3???.....my daughter is asking me and I wanna give her good info....as it relates to Giants
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1783653913943593167
NFC East
Dak
Hurts
Daniels
????
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 08:26:55 PMHave u guys been saying the pick to watch is #3???.....my daughter is asking me and I wanna give her good info
The latest rumors are that the Pats are sitting tight and taking Drake Maye. There had been some rumors earlier in the day the Giants were maybe going to move up to 3, but those have died down in the past hour or two. If we move up it seems more likely to be 4.
Obviously anything is possible though. None of this is truly solid, guaranteed info.
Ok. We'll have to deal with Daniels 2x year for the foreseeable future
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 25, 2024, 08:28:21 PMThe latest rumors are that the Pats are sitting tight and taking Drake Maye. There had been some rumors earlier in the day the Giants were maybe going to move up to 3, but those have died down in the past hour or two. If we move up it seems more likely to be 4.
Obviously anything is possible though. None of this is truly solid, guaranteed info.
Thank you
Has to be wr now
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Pats take Maye at 3.
3/3 QBs.
What do the G Men do?
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https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1783655392251085184
Hmmm, 6x since '94 that Washington has taken a QB in first Rd
Looks like this draft is playing out exactly as predicted.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1783655846418825611
Real question is the Chargers at this point. If they stand pat and pick WR/OT, things get interesting to for the Giants.
Maye will struggle if they put him out there too early. Pats are devoid of much talent.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2024, 08:34:54 PMhttps://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1783655846418825611
Suits me. Let's see if we can maybe go up a spot and get my guy JJ. Make sure the vikings don't jump us.
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Kinda relieved we didn't take maye.
I think Daniels will easily be the best of the top 3 guys off the board.
Playing out exactly as predicted. Most predictable draft ever
Chargers on the clock. Cards stay put.
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Quote from: katkavage on April 25, 2024, 08:35:50 PMMaye will struggle if they put him out there too early. Pats are devoid of much talent.
It wouldn't surprise me if Brissett starts week 1.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on April 25, 2024, 08:36:58 PMI think Daniels will easily be the best of the top 3 guys off the board.
Williams will. Just watch!
https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1783656438033781219
Cardinals were never gonna give up Harrison.
Are you watching NFLN OR ESPN?
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 08:39:35 PMAre you watching NFLN OR ESPN?
Which is a better telecast?
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 08:39:35 PMAre you watching NFLN OR ESPN?
UK coverage is NFLN I think.
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Who do we think Chargers pick?
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 08:41:12 PMWho do we think Chargers pick?
WR... Hoping Odunze.
https://x.com/MaseDenver/status/1783657641010495689
If Nabers goes to LAC do we go Odunze or JJ? Will Minn move up.
Chargers are waiting on an offer I think. Feels like this is dragging...
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Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on April 25, 2024, 08:43:31 PMIf Nabers goes to LAC do we go Odunze or JJ? Will Minn move up.
I would make the Vikings trade and see what happens.
Vikings trading with chargers. ????????
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https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1783658104388739112
Alt or Odunze or trade
If we take JJ at 6 and we've stood firm then superb.
If we take the third WR here then meh.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2024, 08:42:15 PMhttps://x.com/MaseDenver/status/1783657641010495689
To me this means JJ isn't as high on their lost as we thought....If JJ is high on their board I don't see why you risk future capital for another QB when most likely JJ makes it to 6th
I hope I'm right ... Im not high on JJ
JJ, Nabers, or Odunze.
Almost think you go qb because he fell in their lap.
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1783658611895336986
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1783659163161178549
This will be interesting we'll see if Giants like Jj
Let's go Nabers!
If we pass on Nabers or even Odunze I will puke
Well folks our future is now
This pick is for Joe Schoen job. Not an easy decision if the kid Nabers is an All-Pro type
No surprise. Have to know Harbaugh.
the pressure is intense :ohno:
Offensive line much more value than WR.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 08:48:00 PMJJ, Nabers, or Odunze.
Almost think you go qb because he fell in their lap.
He didn't fall on their lap ... he wasn't even expected to be considered this high until very recent.... and that is most likely because of teams with QB needs .. not because he is on the level on the top 3 qbs already picked
JJ or no.1 WR...tick, tock, tick, tock..... :crazy:
Are they looking for a trade down? Minny?
Nabers :ok: =D> =D> =D>
Ugh
THANK GOD !!!
Joe is a SMART man
Yep! I'm down with this pick.
See you here next year. Same situation. Looking for a QB.
Nabers it is.
Brilliant... hopefully he can throw it and catch it.
Next years QB class is poor.
At least we won three pointless games last year right...
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Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 08:50:21 PMHe didn't fall on their lap ... he wasn't even expected to be considered this high until very recent.... and that is most likely because of teams with QB needs .. not because he is on the level on the top 3 qbs already picked
A ton of people like Mccarthy more than Maye. McCarthy has been a top 10 prospect for 2-3 months. Jayden Daniels was a 7th rd pick to start 2023.
Ok - to all the Jones or bust guys - can we all finally agree "Daniel Jones has plenty of weapons?"!!!!!!
Again NFC East
Dak
Hurts
Daniels
Lock/Jones/DeVito
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 08:54:40 PMA ton of people like Mccarthy more than Maye. McCarthy has been a top 10 prospect for 2-3 months. Jayden Daniels was a 7th rd pick to start 2023.
JJ was never once considered on the level of the other three
Look at his stats from early NOvember to the championship game .... not good at all
Look I wanted a QB but not JJ
Their is a reason going into the championship game Michigan was a clear favorite.... but the reason people thought Washington had a chance was because at the time people clearly saw Penix as the BETTER QB
Picking Nabers was by far the best pick Joe could have done considering who was already taken before him
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 08:54:40 PMA ton of people like Mccarthy more than Maye. McCarthy has been a top 10 prospect for 2-3 months. Jayden Daniels was a 7th rd pick to start 2023.
To the extent you are correct, especially about Daniels, it kind of makes nonsense of the argument that next year's QB class is poor. A year in college ball can change things widely.
Quote from: katkavage on April 25, 2024, 08:53:57 PMSee you here next year. Same situation. Looking for a QB.
If you're going to take a quarterback early you risk ruining him if you don't have supporting talent around him. They need to come out of this draft with a quality guard and running back and then go all in on a quarterback next year.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 08:59:20 PMTo the extent you are correct, especially about Daniels, it kind of makes nonsense of the argument that next year's QB class is poor. A year in college ball can change things widely.
This is an excellent point
Peoples thoughts on a QB can change in as quickly as one single month
If one of these top QBs of this WEAK QB class has a great season it all of a sudden does not look so weak anymore
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 08:55:22 PMOk - to all the Jones or bust guys - can we all finally agree "Daniel Jones has plenty of weapons?"!!!!!!
We don't know anything until we see if the OL improves or Lucy pulls the ball away yet again.
Quote from: madbadger on April 25, 2024, 08:59:50 PMIf you're going to take a quarterback early you risk ruining him if you don't have supporting talent around him. They need to come out of this draft with a quality guard and running back and then go all in on a quarterback next year.
They will be right there drafting high up again next year.
Quote from: madbadger on April 25, 2024, 08:59:50 PMIf you're going to take a quarterback early you risk ruining him if you don't have supporting talent around him. They need to come out of this draft with a quality guard and running back and then go all in on a quarterback next year.
So you're planning on a high draft pick in 2025?
What of Giants do some funky ish... trade next years first round pick or something to pick in front of Vikings this year and take JJ lol
I know it wont happen ..but we already picked just being silly now
Quote from: katkavage on April 25, 2024, 09:01:14 PMThey will be right there drafting high up again next year.
Possibly but at least that quarterback will have what he needs to succeed if they can find a guard and running back in this draft.
Quote from: TONKA56 on April 25, 2024, 09:01:19 PMSo you're planning on a high draft pick in 2025?
Yes
https://x.com/geoffschwartz/status/1783663292809904164
Quote from: katkavage on April 25, 2024, 09:01:14 PMThey will be right there drafting high up again next year.
Lol no one knows where will pick
the same QB we are blasting right now was the same one who got an extension and led us to a 2nd round playoff birth
We don't know where we will be next season
They would struggle next year no matter who they drafted. But 2025 now looks dismal.
Penix to Atlanta is crazy.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2024, 09:04:51 PMhttps://x.com/geoffschwartz/status/1783663292809904164
I dont have cable I use Fubotv ...but no way I'm this delayed
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:00:37 PMThis is an excellent point
Peoples thoughts on a QB can change in as quickly as one single month
If one of these top QBs of this WEAK QB class has a great season it all of a sudden does not look so weak anymore
Yeah but most of those guys that flash one season are busts. At least you could see Daniels development in the half decade he was in college. The only flash that hit in recent memory was Burrow. Besides him you have a bunch of Zack Wilson's, and Trey Lances.
Crazy. And too cute.
Lol.. wow how are people getting these picks in so quickly .. no way I was this delayed
Penix won't play for two years. I don't get the pick. Not good for Penix.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 09:00:59 PMWe don't know anything until we see if the OL improves or Lucy pulls the ball away yet again.
To be clear - if our Oline is average will we will still hear "Jones doesn't have enough weapons" is my question?
Everyone talking up JJ for months... And Penix goes before him. Maybe a college program that refuses to put the game on your back knows something?
And this pick right here goes hand in hand with my previous point
CFB CHampionship game was a CLEAR advantage to Michigan except at one position QB
Picking JJ at 6th would have been a HUGE reach .... Atlanta didn't fall for the recent Kool Aid ... they may have reached for Penix .. but they knew who was a bigger reach ..ad Penix RIGHTFULLY so was not the bigger reach
Joe made the right decision with Nabers... I'm happy
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:04:53 PMLol no one knows where will pick
the same QB we are blasting right now was the same one who got an extension and led us to a 2nd round playoff birth
We don't know where we will be next season
I think it would be different if Jones actually had the production. Most Giants fans see 2022 as a great mirage of good defense and Barkley.
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:10:20 PMTo be clear - if our Oline is average will we will still hear "Jones doesn't have enough weapons" is my question?
I reject the premise until I see the OLINE perform with my own eyes.
Guess this means JJ McCarthy will go to the Vikings at 11.
https://x.com/NFL/status/1783665281660805548
Dude the bears are going to be a problem for the near and distant future
Bears are killing it.
If they don't trade Penix, that is one of the strangest picks I can remember.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 09:11:38 PMI reject the premise until I see the OLINE perform with my own eyes.
Understood, my question is - is there a chance we will still hear people say Jones needs more weapons?
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:10:36 PMAnd this pick right here goes hand in hand with my previous point
CFB CHampionship game was a CLEAR advantage to Michigan except at one position QB
Picking JJ at 6th would have been a HUGE reach .... Atlanta didn't fall for the recent Kool Aid ... they may have reached for Penix .. but they knew who was a bigger reach ..ad Penix RIGHTFULLY so was not the bigger reach
Joe made the right decision with Nabers... I'm happy
Huh? Washington's oline won the award for best offensive line in the country and Washington's 3 deep at wr was better than any wr on Michigan.
Caleb, Rome, Keenan Allen, and DJ Moore will be interesting.
Nabers was a great pick, and the player I was hoping they would draft.
Improve the offensive line, and Daniel Jones will have a good year, and the Giants will begin to win again.
Remember when Rich Eisen was telling everyone the Giants are absolutely done with Daniel Jones, and they have buyer's remorse?
He is now going to have to eat his words, as he spread false information.
J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
Were the Jets really a threat to pick a QB ? Why would Minny do this
Schoen better pray that Penix and McCarthy don't become franchise QBs.
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1783666098719588688
Vikings are desperate. I would hate my team taking the fifth QB at pick number 10 and paying a premium to move up and do it.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:13:56 PMHuh? Washington's oline won the award for best offensive line in the country and Washington's 3 deep at wr was better than any wr on Michigan.
Okay and your point ? Michigan is in the Big Ten... no one had Washington winning that game .... the only reason people thought they had a slither of a chance was because they possessed the clear better QB ...exactly why Atlanta chose him over JJ
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:13:47 PMUnderstood, my question is - is there a chance we will still hear people say Jones needs more weapons?
Why are you so invested in getting an answer to a hypothetical? Let's see it play out. Heck, with the Giants luck and history Malik could get injured in training camp and never play a 2024 down.
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:13:47 PMUnderstood, my question is - is there a chance we will still hear people say Jones needs more weapons?
Hi Trench,
No one will question his weapons anymore, as he has more than enough.
As long as the O line can improve to at least average or competent, then Daniel Jones will have a good year, and the Giants will start winning again, even with the loss Barkely.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:14:31 PMNabers was a great pick, and the player I was hoping they would draft.
Improve the offensive line, and Daniel Jones will have a good year, and the Giants will begin to win again.
Remember when Rich Eisen was telling everyone the Giants are absolutely done with Daniel Jones, and they have buyer's remorse?
He is now going to have to eat his words, as he spread false information.
Them being done with Jones and drafting a Qb weren't mutually exclusive. They can be done with Jones and not draft a Qb. They weren't calling the patriots for a Wr the past week.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:16:51 PMVikings are desperate. I would hate my team taking the fifth QB at pick number 10 and paying a premium to move up and do it.
https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1783666190444896473
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:15:08 PMWere the Jets really a threat to pick a QB ? Why would Minny do this
Maybe someone was talking with the Jets to jump ahead of Minny. Or the Jets convinced them there was.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2024, 09:18:02 PMhttps://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1783666190444896473
Jets werent taking a QB ..... dumb trade
Unless another team was trying to get that pick as others have said
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:15:08 PMWere the Jets really a threat to pick a QB ? Why would Minny do this
Maybe someone else was making an offer to the Jets.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 09:18:55 PMMaybe someone was talking with the Jets to jump ahead of Minny. Or the Jets convinced them there was.
Ok this is true ....good point
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:15:08 PMWere the Jets really a threat to pick a QB ? Why would Minny do this
Broncos and Raiders were probably talking to the Jets too
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:17:47 PMThem being done with Jones and drafting a Qb weren't mutually exclusive. They can be done with Jones and not draft a Qb. They weren't calling the patriots for a Wr the past week.
Agreed. If the Giants don't steal some wins with Devito and pick top-3, the Giants are taking a QB. This doesn't signal confidence in DJ. It's a plan for when they move on from him.
Trade up with the Jets and draft Nix.Yo
Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 25, 2024, 09:19:44 PMBroncos and Raiders were probably talking to the Jets too
Yea I was judging too quickly..this is a legit factor
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:16:57 PMOkay and your point ? Michigan is in the Big Ten... no one had Washington winning that game .... the only reason people thought they had a slither of a chance was because they possessed the clear better QB ...exactly why Atlanta chose him over JJ
You said that Michigan Had a clear advantage everywhere on the field besides Qb when they didn't. Penix' offense was significantly better in multiple areas. I'm not saying one is better than the other, simply that it wasn't some landslide talent wise.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:17:47 PMThem being done with Jones and drafting a Qb weren't mutually exclusive. They can be done with Jones and not draft a Qb. They weren't calling the patriots for a Wr the past week.
If they were absolutely done with him, they would have drafted JJ or Penix at #6, but they passed. The fact that they held onto DJ without giving up the farm for Maye also tells us something.
I'm quite happy as I think there is quite a bit of good football in DJ and the Giants for next year, enjoy!
Bo Nix will be gone by #14 I'm guessing.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 09:17:00 PMWhy are you so invested in getting an answer to a hypothetical? Let's see it play out. Heck, with the Giants luck and history Malik could get injured in training camp and never play a 2024 down.
I'm invested because I'm a fan. It is not a hypothetical. I've sat here for years now listening to ultra pro Jones guys saying the one of the only reasons he stinks is he doesn't have weapons. I'm simply asking those guys if we have enough "weapons".....
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:21:18 PMIf they were absolutely done with him, they would have drafted JJ or Penix at #6, but they passed. The fact that they held onto DJ without giving up the farm for Maye also tells us something.
I'm quite happy as I think there is quite a bit of good football in DJ and the Giants for next year, enjoy!
They tried to move up for Maye as of earlier today. If they were picking #1, you think they go WR and keep DJ? Of course not. The WR pick has nothing to do with DJ.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:08:04 PMYeah but most of those guys that flash one season are busts. At least you could see Daniels development in the half decade he was in college. The only flash that hit in recent memory was Burrow. Besides him you have a bunch of Zack Wilson's, and Trey Lances.
Shadeur Sanders, Quinn Ewers and Cam Ward had seasons equal to Maye this year, and all three were better than Daniels was as a junior. None of the three would be considered a flash in the pan.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:21:12 PMYou said that Michigan Had a clear advantage everywhere on the field besides Qb when they didn't. Penix' offense was significantly better in multiple areas. I'm not saying one is better than the other, simply that it wasn't some landslide talent wise.
Whatever the accolades that Washington received no one believed they really had a team that could beat Michigan .... the only clear advantage they had was they had the better QB
Quote from: madbadger on April 25, 2024, 09:23:42 PMShadeur Sanders, Quinn Ewers and Cam Ward had seasons equal to Maye this year, and all three were better than Daniels was as a junior. None of the three would be considered a flash in the pan.
I don't think the Giants are on the list of approved teams for Shedeur Sanders, but the other two could be interesting. And who knows, we've seen guys come from nowhere to jump to the top of the draft - like Daniels just now.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:21:18 PMIf they were absolutely done with him, they would have drafted JJ or Penix at #6, but they passed. The fact that they held onto DJ without giving up the farm for Maye also tells us something.
I'm quite happy as I think there is quite a bit of good football in DJ and the Giants for next year, enjoy!
I hope you're right. I'm not as excited but I'm ironing my Jones jersey because he's our guy. So let's go!!!!!!........BUT....BUT....please Giants fans, don't make any more excuses for the guy. He has weapons (as I've been saying) and even if his line is average he does have enough now. Let's hope he elevates this team. If he does it will be a NY sports story for the ages and I'll be first in line to congratulate him!
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:19:12 PMJets werent taking a QB ..... dumb trade
Unless another team was trying to get that pick as others have said
There is always the risk the Jets traded with someone else
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:23:31 PMThey tried to move up for Maye as of earlier today. If they were picking #1, you think they go WR and keep DJ? Of course not. The WR pick has nothing to do with DJ.
If they were picking #1 they would have taken a QB.
My initial post was that Rich Eisen said the Giants were absolutely done with Daniel Jones. That claim has now proven to be false.
They had two QB's in JJ and Penix sitting right there at pick 6 and they passed, why?
Because they realize DJ as of right now is a better QB then both of them, and adding Nabers is going to help DJ bigtime.
Expect a turnaround in 2024, enjoy!
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:19:57 PMAgreed. If the Giants don't steal some wins with Devito and pick top-3, the Giants are taking a QB. This doesn't signal confidence in DJ. It's a plan for when they move on from him.
It doesn't mean we aren't taking a QB at all - there are more rounds to go. Who knows ...
Quote from: AYM on April 25, 2024, 09:26:29 PMIt doesn't mean we aren't taking a QB at all - there are more rounds to go. Who knows ...
I meant with the top pick, but I agree with you. QB in the 2nd is possible, but I think Nix goes sooner than later.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:23:31 PMThey tried to move up for Maye as of earlier today. If they were picking #1, you think they go WR and keep DJ? Of course not. The WR pick has nothing to do with DJ.
Looking at the complete picture here
The Giants like most only viewed 3 QBs in this draft as franchise QBs or QBs that have a SIGNIFICANT chance at being a franchise QB so yes maybe Joe made the calls and tried to get Maye
But if they thought any of Penix, JJ or even Bo Nix were possibly their future QB they would have no doubt drafted one of them
They didn't ..... you don't pass on them if you are DONE with Jones.....
out of all Caleb,Daniels,Maye,Jones,Penix,JJ,Nix
They simply viewed Jones as the 4th best of the bunch
You don't pass on a QB if you think you have that big a hole at QB
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:25:28 PMI hope you're right. I'm not as excited but I'm ironing my Jones jersey because he's our guy. So let's go!!!!!!........BUT....BUT....please Giants fans, don't make any more excuses for the guy. He has weapons (as I've been saying) and even if his line is average he does have enough now. Let's hope he elevates this team. If he does it will be a NU sports story for the ages and I'll be first in line to congratulate him!
Good for you, and thank you for your response, you always have been a respectful poster, and I appreciate that.
Do I think DJ is an elite QB? No
But do I think with an adequate O line and a #1 explosive receiver added, can he be a solid to good QB? Yes
I'm looking forward to a bounce back year in 2024, please be well
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:26:24 PMIf they were picking #1 they would have taken a QB.
My initial post was that Rich Eisen said the Giants were absolutely done with Daniel Jones. That claim has now proven to be false.
They had two QB's in JJ and Penix sitting right there at pick 6 and they passed, why?
Because they realize DJ as of right now is a better QB then both of them, and adding Nabers is going to help DJ bigtime.
Expect a turnaround in 2024, enjoy!
Like another poster said, being done with Jones and the draft pick being non-QB are not mutually exclusive. It also doesn't mean they think Penix/JJ are worse than DJ right now. They believe Nabers is better for this team
long-term. This team is not built in a single draft or a single pick.
Quote from: AYM on April 25, 2024, 09:25:17 PMI don't think the Giants are on the list of approved teams for Shedeur Sanders, but the other two could be interesting. And who knows, we've seen guys come from nowhere to jump to the top of the draft - like Daniels just now.
With Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson to throw to and the ability to make tens of millions off the field I'm not so sure of that. If we can get a starting guard and running back out of this draft it becomes even more appealing.
https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1783669514040737825
Quote from: madbadger on April 25, 2024, 09:23:42 PMShadeur Sanders, Quinn Ewers and Cam Ward had seasons equal to Maye this year, and all three were better than Daniels was as a junior. None of the three would be considered a flash in the pan.
All three have significantly more flaws than the prospects that were taken 1-3. They would have likely been qbs 7, 8, 9 in this draft. Will they go 1st next year possibly but the talent is nowhere near the guys that came out this year unless they take significant steps.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:26:24 PMIf they were picking #1 they would have taken a QB.
My initial post was that Rich Eisen said the Giants were absolutely done with Daniel Jones. That claim has now proven to be false.
They had two QB's in JJ and Penix sitting right there at pick 6 and they passed, why?
Because they realize DJ as of right now is a better QB then both of them, and adding Nabers is going to help DJ bigtime.
Expect a turnaround in 2024, enjoy!
Good perspective. Thank you.
I only hope we don't have to listen to the excuses crowd and we know they're out there en masse.
Jones is our QB. I'll be first on the hill to say I was wrong. He needs to step up now. He is a VETERAN now. No more excuses or young QB mistakes. He has the contract, he has the franchise, he has the weapons. Do the job.
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Joe Schoen said the Giants are done for the night. There aren't QBs left to trade back into the first round anyway...
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:30:23 PMLike another poster said, being done with Jones and the draft pick being non-QB are not mutually exclusive. It also doesn't mean they think Penix/JJ are worse than DJ right now. They believe Nabers is better for this team long-term. This team is not built in a single draft or a single pick.
Ok by saying this you are essentially saying they Penix of JJ are NOT long term solutions for the Giants ....this in fact actually means they believe keeping Jones at QB and drafting a WR is better then JJ or Penix....
Again if they actually thought that LOW of Jones right now ...they would have moved on ... because that would mean Penix or JJ are the better long term plans
they simply didn't think that
Maye yes they probably did...but JJ or Penix def not
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:30:23 PMLike another poster said, being done with Jones and the draft pick being non-QB are not mutually exclusive. It also doesn't mean they think Penix/JJ are worse than DJ right now. They believe Nabers is better for this team long-term. This team is not built in a single draft or a single pick.
Hi,
No but if they thought JJ or Penix were superior and potential franchise QB's they would have taken them, but they didn't they passed at #6, why?
You don't pass on a potential franchise QB if you are absolutely done with Daniel Jones as Rich Eisen pontificated all over the internet about 4-6 weeks ago.
The man was completely wrong and mislead a lot of viewers and Giant fans.
If you don't like DJ then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I on the other hand feel with an adequate O line, a #1 explosive WR, and an slightly easier schedule, I believe DJ will have a bounce back year.
Enjoy
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:31:50 PMAll three have significantly more flaws than the prospects that were taken 1-3. They would have likely been qbs 7, 8, 9 in this draft. Will they go 1st next year possibly but the talent is nowhere near the guys that came out this year unless they take significant steps.
Okay but we were NOT getting QB's 1-3 .....
So this makes Nabers even more genius
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:34:07 PMHi,
No but if they thought JJ or Penix were superior and potential franchise QB's they would have taken them, but they didn't they passed at #6, why?
You don't pass on a potential franchise QB if you are absolutely done with Daniel Jones as Rich Eisen pontificated all over the internet about 4-6 weeks ago.
The man was completely wrong and mislead a lot of viewers and Giant fans.
If you don't like DJ then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I on the other hand feel with an adequate O line, a #1 explosive WR, and an slightly easier schedule, I believe DJ will have a bounce back year.
Enjoy
Exactly... the first 3 QBs ...SURE
But JJ and/or Penix were obviously not viewed that highly
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:22:44 PMI'm invested because I'm a fan. It is not a hypothetical. I've sat here for years now listening to ultra pro Jones guys saying the one of the only reasons he stinks is he doesn't have weapons. I'm simply asking those guys if we have enough "weapons".....
No, you've sat there and heard that the primary problem is that they have a cr@p OL. The weapons issue only really arose when people pointed out that other QBs were productive with bad Olines and it was countered that while their Ols were bad they had more than 1 elite receiver.
But I'm really sorry if my unwillingness to answer a hypothetical question is interfering with you being a fan.
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:31:56 PMGood perspective. Thank you.
I only hope we don't have to listen to the excuses crowd and we know they're out there en masse.
Jones is our QB. I'll be first on the hill to say I was wrong. He needs to step up now. He is a VETERAN now. No more excuses or young QB mistakes. He has the contract, he has the franchise, he has the weapons. Do the job.
Please remember Daniel Jones had a 93.2 RTG and 60.2 QBR in 2022 which ranked him 13th and #6 respectively.
The team went 10-7-1 and won a playoff game.
His O line was decimated last year and the schedule first five games was absolutely brutal.
I believe there is a great chance he and Giants have a bounce back year.
Please be well
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:31:50 PMAll three have significantly more flaws than the prospects that were taken 1-3. They would have likely been qbs 7, 8, 9 in this draft. Will they go 1st next year possibly but the talent is nowhere near the guys that came out this year unless they take significant steps.
lol. No one, and I mean no one in the world had Daniels going second overall in this draft, this time last year. Too skinny, processed too slowly, struggled with mechanics. A year later everyone forgets about it, and no one is really talking about how much Maye regressed this year without Phil Longo calling plays for him. There will be at least two quarterbacks with top 10 grades next year. If I'm wrong this time next year I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong.
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1783671482746294762
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:34:40 PMOkay but we were NOT getting QB's 1-3 .....
So this makes Nabers even more genius
Did I say there were? I was simply talking to mad about the 3 prospects he mentioned as it refers to next year.
6 QBs in first 12 picks. 83 was the last time but not this quickly. Wonder if this class will produce 3 HOFers too?
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:37:19 PMPlease remember Daniel Jones had a 93.2 RTG and 60.2 QBR in 2022 which ranked him 13th and #6 respectively.
The team went 10-7-1 and won a playoff game.
His O line was decimated last year and the schedule first five games was absolutely brutal.
I believe there is a great chance he and Giants have a bounce back year.
Please be well
The 2 backups moved the ball better than the 40 million dollar QB (with the same Oline - except Pugh)
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2024, 09:31:32 PMhttps://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1783669514040737825
With 6 of the top 12 picks being QBs I can predict that in 2 years this draft will be cited as providing the highest rate of QB busts in NFL history. LOL
Is the deepest before a defensive player is picked?
Quote from: madbadger on April 25, 2024, 09:37:29 PMlol. No one, and I mean no one in the world had Daniels going second overall in this draft, this time last year. Too skinny, processed too slowly, struggled with mechanics. A year later everyone forgets about it, and no one is really talking about how much Maye regressed this year without Phil Longo calling plays for him. There will be at least two quarterbacks with top 10 grades next year. If I'm wrong this time next year I'll have no problem admitting I was wrong.
I said exactly that on page 1 or 2 of this thread, that Jayden Daniels was a 7th round Pick at the beginning of 2023 and I've talked a lot of my dislike for maye because he thrived in Longos system that also made sam howell look elite at points. I'm not disagreeing with you, I was simply talking about the talent of the 3 guys in comparison to who actually got drafted just now.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:34:07 PMHi,
No but if they thought JJ or Penix were superior and potential franchise QB's they would have taken them, but they didn't they passed at #6, why?
You don't pass on a potential franchise QB if you are absolutely done with Daniel Jones as Rich Eisen pontificated all over the internet about 4-6 weeks ago.
The man was completely wrong and mislead a lot of viewers and Giant fans.
If you don't like DJ then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I on the other hand feel with an adequate O line, a #1 explosive WR, and an slightly easier schedule, I believe DJ will have a bounce back year.
Enjoy
And when DJ is cut after this season, will you admit the Giants were "completely done" with him but for considerations having nothing to do with his talents? He's still on the team because of cap considerations. You appear to be declaring victory on DJ's behalf--why I don't know--because the Giants didn't draft the 4th QB at 6, a move that would be a disproportionate utilization of valuable draft capital.
I literally haven't criticized DJ at all in this thread, just noted that the pick of a WR is not confirmation of faith in him. But the defensiveness of DJ against logic is clear.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:38:45 PMDid I say there were? I was simply talking to mad about the 3 prospects he mentioned as it refers to next year.
Ok but your point leads to the fact that next years prospects at THIS moment are on the level of the 2nd tier of QBs in this draft
They have a whole season to prove themselves better or worse than that
Which makes taking Nabers the smart move ......
Because if we stink it up again and pick top 5 we now get the chance to pick a JJ type QB next season or who knows a better QB to pair with Nabers
vs
Picking JJ risking a bust and still not having a #1 WR
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 09:37:11 PMNo, you've sat there and heard that the primary problem is that they have a cr@p OL. The weapons issue only really arose when people pointed out that other QBs were productive with bad Olines and it was countered that while their Ols were bad they had more than 1 elite receiver.
But I'm really sorry if my unwillingness to answer a hypothetical question is interfering with you being a fan.
No...the posters said over and over he doesn't have enough weapons and WR who can "get separation"....this was regurgitated over and over. Our (2) backup QBs proved we can move the ball downfield with the current crop so this is where I ask - now that we have Nabers (true #1), Hyatt, WanDale and maybe Waller - can we at least agree Daniel Jones NOW has weapons??
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:41:07 PMThe 2 backups moved the ball better than the 40 million dollar QB (with the same Oline - except Pugh)
DJ went up against Dallas and San Fran first two games against top 5 defenses.
The first five out of six teams he faced were all playoff teams, before getting hurt.
Taylor and Devito went up against inferior competition.
Taylor put up 9 points against Buffalo, a top 5 defense.
Taylor like Jones was also hurt after only 3 games behind this O line.
Let me ask you a question.
The Giants have added a legitimate #1 WR, he is explosive.
If they strengthen the O line.
Do you think DJ will have better stats this year?
or will he be worse?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:38:45 PMDid I say there were? I was simply talking to mad about the 3 prospects he mentioned as it refers to next year.
Where would you put the 2025 class with the end of 2022 version of the 2023 class. That is the REAL comparison.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:42:53 PMAnd when DJ is cut after this season, will you admit the Giants were "completely done" with him but for considerations having nothing to do with his talents? He's still on the team because of cap considerations. You appear to be declaring victory on DJ's behalf--why I don't know--because the Giants didn't draft the 4th QB at 6, a move that would be a disproportionate utilization of valuable draft capital.
I literally haven't criticized DJ at all in this thread, just noted that the pick of a WR is not confirmation of faith in him. But the defensiveness of DJ against logic is clear.
Yes ....they will be DONE after next season if that is the case
RIGHT NOW they are not
Did they try to improve at QB ?? Probably yes most likely ....BUT they are not DONE at the moment ...if they were you simply take the franchise QB
they believed none of these QB's outside the top 3 are that
so no they are not done with Jones
this is really turning out to be an all-offense draft. I wonder how far down the board before a defensive player is picked
My god.... is their a chance we get a first round level defensive player in the 2nd round the way things are going ?
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 09:45:59 PMYes ....they will be DONE after next season if that is the case
RIGHT NOW they are not
Did they try to improve at QB ?? Probably yes most likely ....BUT they are not DONE at the moment ...if they were you simply take the franchise QB
they believed none of these QB's outside the top 3 are that
so no they are not done with Jones
Honestly, this is pedantic waffling around the term "done with" for no real purpose. So I am, actually, done with discussing it.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:34:07 PMHi,
No but if they thought JJ or Penix were superior and potential franchise QB's they would have taken them, but they didn't they passed at #6, why?
You don't pass on a potential franchise QB if you are absolutely done with Daniel Jones as Rich Eisen pontificated all over the internet about 4-6 weeks ago.
The man was completely wrong and mislead a lot of viewers and Giant fans.
If you don't like DJ then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I on the other hand feel with an adequate O line, a #1 explosive WR, and an slightly easier schedule, I believe DJ will have a bounce back year.
Enjoy
The DJ contract always meant he'd be on the team in September. I don't think anyone here disputed that.
Whether he's the guy after this coming season, is a big question. The contract is built with an exit clause.
I'm certain I heard Eisen say Jones won't be ready for September, which I've not read or heard elsewhere - he does seem to be over zealous in this approach (however, I may have misheard).
Nevertheless, in my opinion - there is no certainty around Jones' starting position come the end of the year. But if you believe that's the case, I cannot argue with that.
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:41:07 PMThe 2 backups moved the ball better than the 40 million dollar QB (with the same Oline - except Pugh)
Are we forgetting that our best OL guy wasn't there for Jones? Thomas being out was kind of significant, no?
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:45:35 PMDJ went up against Dallas and San Fran first two games against top 5 defenses.
The first five out of six teams he faced were all playoff teams, before getting hurt.
Taylor and Devito went up against inferior competition.
Taylor put up 9 points against Buffalo, a top 5 defense.
Taylor like Jones was also hurt after only 3 games behind this O line.
Let me ask you a question.
The Giants have added a legitimate #1 WR, he is explosive.
If they strengthen the O line.
Do you think DJ will have better stats this year?
or will he be worse?
He will absolutely be better and I'll root like hell when he does.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:47:43 PMHonestly, this is pedantic waffling around the term "done with" for no real purpose. So I am, actually, done with discussing it.
FACT is they viewed lack of WR #1 as more of a need then Jones being at QB
I get your point about after next season ..... but this is literally factual at this point
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:42:53 PMAnd when DJ is cut after this season, will you admit the Giants were "completely done" with him but for considerations having nothing to do with his talents? He's still on the team because of cap considerations. You appear to be declaring victory on DJ's behalf--why I don't know--because the Giants didn't draft the 4th QB at 6, a move that would be a disproportionate utilization of valuable draft capital.
I literally haven't criticized DJ at all in this thread, just noted that the pick of a WR is not confirmation of faith in him. But the defensiveness of DJ against logic is clear.
You just said when the Giants cut DJ after this year.
That is an assumption that you have made, and an indirect criticism of his play, which shows you have no confidence in him.
If DJ has a bounce back year, and the Giants start winning again, will you admit the Giants weren't completely done with him?
And that Rich Eisen was completely wrong spreading misinformation?
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 25, 2024, 09:45:35 PMWhere would you put the 2025 class with the end of 2022 version of the 2023 class. That is the REAL comparison.
Would probably be
1.Caleb
2.Maye
3.Nix
4/5.Penix/Sanders
6.Ewers
7.Ward
8.Daniels
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 09:47:43 PMHonestly, this is pedantic waffling around the term "done with" for no real purpose. So I am, actually, done with discussing it.
I agree, along with the insistent 'will you agree X if Y' answers being demanded.
Please don't misunderstand me. I think jones can be ok. Not elite. He needs to stop locking on WR and he needs to be better in 2 minutes and get rid of the fast feet we see in almost every single nationally televised game he has ever played. He hasn't learned to slow it down yet. Maybe that happens this year?...but we had 2 backups move the ball better than him last year. That's an issue
I feel bad for Penix. You go to a team that just gave a QB a 4 year, 45 million contract. You only play if he gets hurt. And Penix is not a young rookie.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:49:53 PMYou just said when the Giants cut DJ after this year.
That is an assumption that you have made, and an indirect criticism of his play, which shows you have no confidence in him.
If DJ has a bounce back year, and the Giants start winning again, will you admit the Giants weren't completely done with him?
And that Rich Eisen was completely wrong spreading misinformation?
How can you call it misinformation though when it's been factual proven the Giants were calling for a week for the patriots pick?
Also what does a bounce back year to you look like?
Quote from: katkavage on April 25, 2024, 09:52:13 PMI feel bad for Penix. You go to a team that just gave a QB a 4 year, 45 million contract. You only play if he gets hurt. And Penix is not a young rookie.
At least his rookie contract is going to be worth a lot more than if he went were a lot of people thought he would.
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:48:40 PMHe will absolutely be better and I'll root like hell when he does.
Okay cool, thank you for being intellectually honest with your answer, that means a lot.
Let's see what happens this year, and lets hope for a bounce back year for DJ and the team
Wow, first defensive player is picked 15th.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:53:13 PMHow can you call it misinformation though when it's been factual proven the Giants were calling for a week for the patriots pick?
Also what does a bounce back year to you look like?
I think many believe 2022 was a big time year for Jones and would be delighted and thoroughly satisfied if he and the team did exactly that again.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2024, 09:53:13 PMHow can you call it misinformation though when it's been factual proven the Giants were calling for a week for the patriots pick?
Also what does a bounce back year to you look like?
Because calling the Patriots about a potential elite rookie QB, with a huge upside similar to Allen or Herbert, is not the same thing as saying they were "completely done" with DJ as Eisen pontificated all over the net.
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 09:41:07 PMThe 2 backups moved the ball better than the 40 million dollar QB (with the same Oline - except Pugh)
It wasn't the same OL. The most important piece was Thomas and he was out. Bredeson was terrible and ultimately replaced by Pugh.
DeVito faced two of the worst teams in the league. He flopped after that and Taylor returned. But both backups didn't have to face the best teams in the league with superior pass rushers the first five games.
It looks as if you are saying both Taylor and DeVito are better than Jones. Interesting take.
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Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 25, 2024, 09:55:05 PMOkay cool, thank you for being intellectually honest with your answer, that means a lot.
Let's see what happens this year, and lets hope for a bounce back year for DJ and the team
I'm 100% on. I'm just being negative is all. I've been let down too many times by Jones. But hey, I used to say that about Simms too and look how that panned out
I love how the pick of the top WR on the board instead of the 4th QB is a jumping off point for (unnecessary, unprompted) Jones defense. Wild.
Quote from: todge on April 25, 2024, 09:59:21 PMIt wasn't the same OL. The most important piece was Thomas and he was out. Bredeson was terrible and ultimately replaced by Pugh.
DeVito faced two of the worst teams in the league. He flopped after that and Taylor returned. But both backups didn't have to face the best teams in the league with superior pass rushers the first five games.
It looks as if you are saying both Taylor and DeVito are better than Jones. Interesting take.
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Did Thomas play with either Devito, Jones or Tyrod at all this year?....im not sure...all I'm saying is Devito and Tyrod 100% moved the ball WAY WAY better than Jones "when it mattered". That's my point
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 25, 2024, 09:56:27 PMI think many believe 2022 was a big time year for Jones and would be delighted and thoroughly satisfied if he and the team did exactly that again.
I agree with you, and this is so refreshing to see.
I've always appreciated your well balanced and reasonable approach, that even though you aren't the biggest DJ fan, if he does bounce back and so does the team you will be thoroughly delighted, and so will I.
Please be well.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 25, 2024, 09:54:46 PMAt least his rookie contract is going to be worth a lot more than if he went were a lot of people thought he would.
I think Atlanta got too cute with the pick and ignored other needs. Bad pick in my opinion for the team and the player.
It will be interesting to see how the second half of draft plays out, especially if run on offense continues. There could be an unexpected plethora of defensive players available for us at 47. But it's getting late so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to see
Good night all
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 10:02:52 PMDid Thomas play with either Devito, Jones or Tyrod at all this year?....im not sure...all I'm saying is Devito and Tyrod 100% moved the ball WAY WAY better than Jones "when it mattered". That's my point
No matter how awful DeVito's passing was, he had the best pocket awareness of all the quarterbacks on the roster. That ability was kind of special in fact. Obviously that alone isn't enough, but I wish Jones had half of that ability to sense pressure and perceive the rush from the back.
Quote from: TONKA56 on April 25, 2024, 10:09:40 PMNo matter how awful DeVito's passing was, he had the best pocket awareness of all the quarterbacks on the roster. That ability was kind of special in fact. Obviously that alone isn't enough, but I wish Jones had half of that ability to sense pressure and perceive the rush from the back.
100%
Quote from: Trench on April 25, 2024, 10:02:52 PMDid Thomas play with either Devito, Jones or Tyrod at all this year?....im not sure...all I'm saying is Devito and Tyrod 100% moved the ball WAY WAY better than Jones "when it mattered". That's my point
Sigh
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Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on April 25, 2024, 10:02:11 PMI love how the pick of the top WR on the board instead of the 4th QB is a jumping off point for (unnecessary, unprompted) Jones defense. Wild.
No you are making a false narrative out of it
You say you are done discussing this but here you are trying to get the last word
one again it is FACT if the Giants were DONE with Jones they would have taken one fo the 2nd tier QBs in this draft regardless of who is available at WR
they did in FACT view #1 WR as bigger need then moving on from Jones considering the top 3QBs were gone
You are trying to throw this Jones narrative on a wall and hoping it sticks .... did Giants want ti IMPROVE over Jones yes probably most likely
are they DONE with Jones ? No they obviously arent
Quote from: killarich on April 25, 2024, 10:14:01 PMNo you are making a false narrative out of it
You say you are done discussing this but here you are trying to get the last word
one again it is FACT if the Giants were DONE with Jones they would have taken one fo the 2nd tier QBs in this draft regardless of who is available at WR
they did in FACT view #1 WR as bigger need then moving on from Jones considering the top 3QBs were gone
You are trying to throw this Jones narrative on a wall and hoping it sticks .... did Giants want ti IMPROVE over Jones yes probably most likely
are they DONE with Jones ? No they obviously arent
Again, you can get caught up in a pedantic argument over the term "done with" if it makes you feel better, but it changes nothing. The writing is on the wall. The Nabers pick doesn't change that. Twisting it to make a different point is silly, wasted motion that will be proven (more) foolish in time.
I do agree, however, that we're largely at an impasse trying to parse another man's words against the Giants actions. If this is considered me trying to get the last word, then feel free to follow up. I think we know how each other feels, but I'm frequently wrong about things and would not be surprised to find myself so once again.
Quote from: katkavage on April 25, 2024, 10:04:58 PMI think Atlanta got too cute with the pick and ignored other needs. Bad pick in my opinion for the team and the player.
I agree with you. I just looked at the Cousins contract. They're pretty much stuck with him through 2026. Completely bizarre that they signed him if they were willing to pick Penix in the top 10. Seems like they didn't scout Penix at all during the season, and then they jumped to signed Cousins, then they finally did some due diligence on Penix and fell in love with him.
Crazy way of doing things.
I am happy with Nabers. Need to build the team. Maye would have been nice but we need picks.
Of course the Eagles end up with their choice of all the cornerbacks
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 25, 2024, 10:20:41 PMI agree with you. I just looked at the Cousins contract. They're pretty much stuck with him through 2026. Completely bizarre that they signed him if they were willing to pick Penix in the top 10. Seems like they didn't scout Penix at all during the season, and then they jumped to signed Cousins, then they finally did some due diligence on Penix and fell in love with him.
Crazy way of doing things.
Maybe after next year, when they realize the error of their ways, Atlanta can trade him Penix to the Giants. They are stuck with Cousin's contract no matter what.
Outside of the Penix pick I dont know if I see any really crazy selections. There are some that were a little surprising to see in the 1st round, but even those picks I thought made sense and they were guys that I thought would go in round 2.
The Falcons? Enough said. Did anyone catch that awkward war room..execs standing around..gm trying to explain to Blank what the heck was that Penix pick. Talk about blank stares!
Bizarre. And don't forget the Vikings are probably going to get compensated in next year's draft for Cousins tampering.
That was (should be) a fireable offense by Fontenot. Dumb and dumberer.
:banghead: :poo:
If I'm Penix's agent, I work very hard to get Atlanta to trade him. It might not happen until training camp, but he has no chance to play unless Cousins gets hurt. There is no way they sit a QB who is making that much no matter how good the rookie behind him is. The pick was an all time blunder.
The only possible explanation would be if the Cousins rehab is not coming along as expected. Otherwise, a real head scratcher ~X(
Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on April 26, 2024, 08:18:17 AMThe only possible explanation would be if the Cousins rehab is not coming along as expected. Otherwise, a real head scratcher ~X(
I see your point, but then why the hell would you give that guy $100 million guaranteed?
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- Likely to be docked draft picks & fined for tampering to sign Kirk Cousins
- Didn't seriously consider hiring Bill Belichick
- Signed Cousins to a $180 million contract
- Blindsided Cousins and his camp by drafting their next franchise QB at No. 8
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Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 08:24:06 AMI see your point, but then why the hell would you give that guy $100 million guaranteed?
That's what Blank was probably saying too last night. Can't defend that move on any level. Mind boggling. Why bother to sign Cousins (and tamper)? Trade down..add picks and still get Penix mid-round. Or simply add a quality player.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 26, 2024, 08:34:08 AMThat's what Blank was probably saying too last night. Can't defend that move on any level. Mind boggling. Why bother to sign Cousins (and tamper)? Trade down..add picks and still get Penix mid-round. Or simply add a quality player.
Its one of the most bizarre picks I can remember. They have made a lot of moves to improve their offense over the last several years. They had every defensive player in the draft still available and chose a QB.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 08:40:28 AMIts one of the most bizarre picks I can remember. They have made a lot of moves to improve their offense over the last several years. They had every defensive player in the draft still available and chose a QB.
I've been trying to reconcile this move too, Matt. Here's the best I could do:
1. They want an insurance policy for a 35 year old QB coming off an ACL injury
2. If Penix showcases some skills, his potential trade value could be worth more than the #8 pick; thus, representing a positive ROI.
When did the Falcons hire Gettleman? =))
I liked other OTs rather than JC Latham. Harbaugh was brilliant to select Alt. Titans should have looked elsewhere. Not a fan of that pick.
Atlanta selecting Penix was ridiculous after securing Cousins. Complete waste of a pick.
I think Dallas trading back did nothing for them. Yeah they got Guyton, but they needed help at CB also and going back put them in a less advantageous position.
KC landing Xavier Worthy was brilliant.
Quote from: kingm56 on April 26, 2024, 08:45:48 AMI've been trying to reconcile this move too, Matt. Here's the best I could do:
1. They want an insurance policy for a 35 year old QB coming off an ACL injury
2. If Penix showcases some skills, his potential trade value could be worth more than '' pick; thus, representing a positive ROI.
Matt,
The only thing I could think of to rationalize the pick is that Cousins is 36 and not a long-term solution and now they potentially have that solution when Cousins is gone. Just seems odd to me for a team to be thinking about 2026 and beyond when they have not had a winning record or playoff appearance since 2017.
Signing a 36 year old QB to that kind of guaranteed money after an Achilles injury is questionable, but was understandable given their situation. Taking their future QB the same year is nothing short of bizarre IMO.
If they are worried about Cousins injury to start the season, signing a high end backup seems more reasonable than drafting another QB at #10.
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1783854089320730991
Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 09:51:17 AMMatt,
The only thing I could think of to rationalize the pick is that Cousins is 36 and not a long-term solution and now they potentially have that solution when Cousins is gone. Just seems odd to me for a team to be thinking about 2026 and beyond when they have not had a winning record or playoff appearance since 2017.
Signing a 36 year old QB to that kind of guaranteed money after an Achilles injury is questionable, but was understandable given their situation. Taking their future QB the same year is nothing short of bizarre IMO.
If they are worried about Cousins injury to start the season, signing a high end backup seems more reasonable than drafting another QB at #10.
I completely agree, Matt.
Bills bizarrely gift Xavier Worthy to Chiefs with 2024 NFL Draft trade
By Social Links forRyan Dunleavy
Published April 26, 2024, 1:04 a.m. ET
Setting up the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes apparently wasn't enough for the masochistic Bills.
The NFL draft often creates strange bedfellows when it comes to trades, but few are as hard to explain as the Chiefs-Bills deal late in the first round Thursday night that gifted the fastest player in the class to Mahomes and speed-obsessed head coach Andy Reid.
Xavier Worthy, who recorded an NFL combine-record 4.21-second time in the 40-yard dash, was selected No. 28 by the Chiefs, who traded No. 32 and a third-rounder (No. 95) for No. 28 and a fourth-rounder (No. 133). The teams swapped seventh-rounders, too.
The Chiefs were in the market for a receiver even before last year's top rookie Rashee Rice was arrested, which possibly will lead to a suspension.
The Bills unknowingly handed the Chiefs their biggest nemesis during a 2017 draft trade that landed Mahomes in Kansas City.
Since then, Mahomes has eliminated the Super Bowl-minded Bills from the playoffs three times and become the obstacle preventing counterpart Josh Allen from reaching his full potential.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/26/sports/bills-gift-xavier-worthy-to-chiefs-with-2024-nfl-draft-trade/
One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how differently teams evaluate prospects compared to talking heads. Maybe its that talking heads are evaluating in vacuum not with a system or role in mind, compared to teams that really need to consider those types of things.
Until the Falcons I thought the draft was pretty much in line with popular opinion. The second half of the 1st seemed like teams had players rated very differently than media.
Quote from: katkavage on April 26, 2024, 07:03:50 AMMaybe after next year, when they realize the error of their ways, Atlanta can trade him Penix to the Giants. They are stuck with Cousin's contract no matter what.
Just don't see Penix being the one they want to trade unless he plays terribly or gets hurt again.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2024, 05:15:02 PMJust don't see Penix being the one they want to trade unless he plays terribly or gets hurt again.
It's a terrible situation for Penix. If he went to Denver or the Raiders he would have a chance to start. Atlanta picks him up and he has to sit and know the only way he gets in is if Cousins gets hurt. I feel bad for the kid.