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Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 10:32:20 AMMaybe this can be of some help in answering the question.

I remember a few years ago, Joe Schoen said in an interview that he was persuaded once to pass on a player that he really wanted in the draft, and that player turned out to have an excellent career, and he will never do that again.

JJ, Penix, and Nix were not the QB's he wanted, so he passed on them, and I agree with him. JJ and Nix do not have the arm talent that Daniel Jones possesses, plus all three of them are smaller than he is as well.

WR Malik Nabers is an elite prospect, and if he consistently puts up 1,000-1,500-yard seasons, it won't matter what the other QB's do because they nailed the pick.

Schoen addressed the right side of the offensive line in FA, and they have an elite pass rusher in Burns to go along with Thibodeaux.

If the line holds up, and Nabers is the player who Schoen and Daboll believe he is, Daniel Jones is going to have a big year.

And as Schoen said, Daniel is under contract for three more years, and if he comes through this year, and the Giants start winning again, many fans will be grateful that they stuck with DJ and paired him up with Nabers.

So then what is your baseline expectation for Jones this season?

What will be a good season for you? Is that 4,000 yards 20 tds and 5 int or what?

You obviously think Jones will ascend, so was does that look like in production?

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 10:26:54 AMHe squeezed the Giants for every dime in that salary negotiation. I'd be shocked if he took a team friendly approach and waived it.

Considering that NYG's failure to protect him contributed to his injury issues, would you blame him for not waiving this part of his contract?

Quote from: gregf on April 30, 2024, 10:14:20 PMNice list J.  I'd be disappointed if Nabers does not get at least half the starting reps at WR from game 1. I like Elumenor at RT. This will be the best competition in camp to watch. I agree that DT depth needs help. I think Bellinger holds the starting TE spot, don't need rookie blocking mistakes. RB#2 will be fun to watch too.

I just hope the new OL coach determines his preferred top 5 early in the pre-season process and lets them play together and achieve some cohesiveness.  That Merry Go Round that Johnson pulled (and Daboll allowed) was criminally negligent OL coaching.  It was a perfect example of why ANY decision is better than no decision.  And it played a big part in why the Giants entered the season completely unprepared to compete.

Still watching Black Sails, but I see a new series drops tomorrow (May 2) that looks very intriguing. Has a "Suits" vibe, but seemingly more violent, judging by the trailer

"A Man in Full" Netflix...limited series

I'm too lazy to type out the cast so a picture



Trailer:

Maybe this can be of some help in answering the question.

I remember a few years ago, Joe Schoen said in an interview that he was persuaded once to pass on a player that he really wanted in the draft, and that player turned out to have an excellent career, and he will never do that again.

JJ, Penix, and Nix were not the QB's he wanted, so he passed on them, and I agree with him. JJ and Nix do not have the arm talent that Daniel Jones possesses, plus all three of them are smaller than he is as well.

WR Malik Nabers is an elite prospect, and if he consistently puts up 1,000-1,500-yard seasons, it won't matter what the other QB's do because they nailed the pick.

Schoen addressed the right side of the offensive line in FA, and they have an elite pass rusher in Burns to go along with Thibodeaux.

If the line holds up, and Nabers is the player who Schoen and Daboll believe he is, Daniel Jones is going to have a big year.

And as Schoen said, Daniel is under contract for three more years, and if he comes through this year, and the Giants start winning again, many fans will be grateful that they stuck with DJ and paired him up with Nabers.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:27:08 AMI have been saying this every single year Jones has been in the league: he can be evaluated despite what support he has or doesn't have around him. I got a lot of pushback from you and others saying that it was too difficult to evaluate him because of the lack of quality NFL support.

Seems to me the ability to evaluate a player is subjective.

Simply evaluate jones on the clean pocket plays and they exist

-does not take chances down field 
-cannot hit cross routes in stride
-good on hitting passes off the cut
-checks down underneath to his security blanket (maybe why they were comfortable letting him go)

Still don't care much about the stats. I am interested in wins, don't care what those wins look like.  Special teams driven would be fine.  Win more than you lose. Yay me. 

Look at ELi, Tua and Allen.  The year before they got the receiver, the year after. I believe Nabers is a better prospect than Diggs, Waddle or OBJ were.  I think he is actually a better fit for the system. He is like an ELITE RB with the ball in his hands. 

I think the trade up for Maye was always diversion. NE needed QB, therefore needed to be blown away.  We absolutely knew that and CHOSE not to blow them away.  Again, did we REALLY try to trade up or were we trying to get Minnesota to take a QB ahead of us?

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 07:50:00 AMRich,

If you're being honest, you will acknowledge several fans predicted DJ was ascending to become a top 10/5 QB; last year, a few even predicted the DJ-led offense was on the verge of 'lethality.' Any QB who ascends into the top 10/5, or leads a lethal offense, is by definition, an MVP caliber QB. I believe that's what H-Town was referring to when he made his statement; at least, that's how I interpreted it. 
 

And if you are being honest you will admit that there are posters who have written Jones off in no uncertain terms.  As an example I present @Jclayton92 as the poster boy of this group.  He may even be right, but I'm pretty sure he would agree that this is his position.  OTOH, I think you'd be hard-pressed to name any poster who is as sold out on Jones definitely emerging as a franchise QB - it is couched more as a possibility, generally on the hope that the OL massively improves.  But no one has said he will rise to a top 5/10 QB with anything like the certitude of the detractors.

He squeezed the Giants for every dime in that salary negotiation. I'd be shocked if he took a team friendly approach and waived it.

I will say one thing I would like to see from Jones this season.  I want to see his yards per attempt exceed 7.0 this season.   YPA is a pretty good measure of how a QB is driving the ball downfield, and ideally, you like to see that number be higher than 7.   I recently saw a statistic that Jones has never exceeded that mark in his college or pro career (he came close with a 6.8).   Nabers is DJ's first true YAC generator (although Robinson can also be pretty good at that).  With hopefully better protection and with a couple of receivers who can add to DJ's passing yardage, hopefully, he can finally exceed that 7.0 mark