Big Blue Huddle

the Pacers move the ball so well and shot the lights out

was not our night

It must have been amazing to see this event in person. Must have been electric!

What does it matter? I can't recall a single time watching him play and thinking to myself he would have made that play if he was 15 pounds heavier.

No receiver is really quarterback-proof. That was my point leading all the way up to the draft.

Maybe the single greatest performance by a race horse EVER.

I never get tired of watching it.

        

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 01:49:52 PMI am not sure what your point is exactly? I simply pointed out that per his metrics he got significantly overpaid for name recognition and for what the Eagles think he could possibly be with them. All were factual statements, but it is what it is at this point. There is a reason the Giants didn't even offer him at all and turned around and paid for Singletary.

Pretty simple.

"He was overpaid"  - Obviously your opinion.  Not a fact.  I'm guessing that the front offices that were offering Saquon likely disagreed with your opinion...seeing as how they actually paid the guy.
"He got overpaid because of name recognition"  - Obviously another opinion.  Not a fact (unless you can show where the Eagles front office stated this?)
"He got paid because of what the Eagles think he could possibly be with them"  - Bingo, your first factual statement.

My point was simply- your opinions don't set the market for RBs.  The market for RBs sets the market for RBs.  It's pretty straightforward.  And- it's ok to have been wrong about the fact that the guy got paid, when in you and many others opinions here didn't think he would. 

As to my opinion surrounding these facts- it's my opinion that Saquon's metrics were obviously down because he was coming off major injury and running behind a historically bad OL and accompanied by a historically bad QB situation last year.  My opinion is the Eagles (and Texans and possible others) front office saw this as an opportunity to significantly upgrade their team at a reasonable total cost, cap wise.  And, finally, I predict if Saquon can continue to recover from his injury and see some daylight in front of him, those silly metrics will improve significantly.  I just hope that doesn't lead to the Eagles squashing us or making any kind of deep run into the playoffs. 

I'm not going to apologize for being one of this guy's biggest fans.  He puts his nose down, works his ass off, does everything his coach tells him to do, is a community leader, a team captain, worked his way back from major injury, and hasn't complained about the ridiculously awful situation he was drafted into and the surrounding lack of talent he's endured for years- when he absolutely could have.  And as far as contracts- he placed huge bets on himself....and won.  I respect that.  I wish him the best.

And, finally- I personally 100% agree with the move by Schoen to move on- I think it's a case of win-win for both parties.  Saquon absolutely deserves a chance to live up to his potential somewhere else and the Giants, with DJ's contract, simply couldn't justify paying them both top shelf (for their position) money.

Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 09:17:14 AMJess - I'll be very disappointed if their best RT is playing RG.  That simply can't happen.  It's got to be the best 5 at their positions and to establish it early so they get reps.

Yeah from what I'm hearing at otas they haven't defined a 5, but instead are working on 2 man blocking combos currently so hopefully we see something soon.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 10:48:31 AMPFF had DJ ranked 12th in the league just prior to the 2023 season, which can be seen down below.

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Now after the 2023 season they have him ranked 29th, seems a bit radical doesn't it?

NFL.com had DJ ranked 18th before the 2023 season, which can be seen down below.

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Now they have him ranked 46th, which can be seen down below, seems a bit extreme doesn't it?

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-66-starting-quarterbacks-from-the-2023-nfl-season

PFF are going off of Jones pff rankings among his peers for 2023 alone. The article is based on "starting" qbs and not every Qb otherwise he would have been below his teammates from last season as noted in the article.

As for NFL.com, they have Jones ranked based on his production from last season based on the other 66 qbs that also participated.

Both rankings are based on what Jones did in 2023 alone, not what he did in 2022, 2021, or what they think he can do.

Based on simply his 2023 production alone and not anything else which is what they did you can see why the rankings are what they are currently.

Now if he plays well in 2024 then I'm sure he'll go back up in their rankings for the 2024 season alone.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 01:59:33 PMYeah I just see it as content to get through the dead season. There are always guys that rise and fall in any given season so it's pointless to predict but makes for an enjoyable read if bored basically.

Yeah, I get it. If these lists were catalogued in the library, I'm sure we'd find them in the "Fiction" or "Fantasy" sections.