Braelon Allen is still available I think.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: StompYouOT on April 26, 2024, 10:30:10 PMYessir. I don't think we hear too many excuses next year when Jones doesn't come through. I just wonder how and when we will find that guy if next year's draft class is subpar? This draft looks like solid work by Schoen and Daboll along with the Jax trade. Slowly but surely we might get to being a "QB away" type team.
Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 26, 2024, 11:41:51 AMYet he led the league in tight window throws for like two years under Coach Shurm and had no issues throwing down the field.
No QB is playing confidently behind an OL that gives up 85 sacks. That's like historic level of stink
Quote from: Philosophers on April 26, 2024, 11:37:40 AMHe does not naturally downfield like some throwers and see a typical NFL tight window and throws it there. Instead he bails and throws a much shorter outlet pass. He needs to be bolder mentally. I think he is plenty accurate to make those throws.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 26, 2024, 07:59:02 AMThe 1,000 yards and 12 tds difference is pretty significant. My problem isn't with Jones physically as he has the tools, I just see someone that can't mentally get over the hurdle of an offense that he's asked to do very little In. He can't read the field like he needs to or process things like he should for a Qb going into year 6.
In today's game you need a 4,000 yard 20td + qb to be relevant and we just don't have that currently.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 10:37:11 AMIf you value Super Bowls, how about the trophies won by the Bucs (Brady), Rams (Stafford), and the Broncos (Manning) none of whom acquired their QB via the draft (even)?
Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 10:24:24 AMEven if you don't think DJ is the guy, I don't see why drafting a worthy WR at 6 is something to fret over.
I get people want a different QB. Truly elite QBs are rare, so if we assume the Giants upgrade DJ with a QB who is not in that category, they will need top tier talent around him.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 10:19:47 AMOn the other side of that coin you have teams like the Eagles, 49ers, and the Cowboys who parlayed talented rosters and QB support into finding their franchise QBs in rounds other than the first one.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 10:03:18 AMMore like those that are happy, appreciate and understand that quarterbacks need support to develop and even just to function and here is what neutral Athletic writer ranked the Giants support system
6. New York Giants
Pass blocking: F
Run game: C
Weapons: D (potential F)
Play-caller: B
Defense: C
The Giants have Daniel Jones signed for another two seasons but there is buzz that they might make a move in the draft to get one of the top four quarterbacks. The biggest draw New York has is that head coach Brian Daboll and offensive coordinator Mike Kafka have shown they can piece together an offense with toothpicks and paperclips. The Giants surprised the league in 2022, finishing 10th in offensive DVOA, but their lack of overall talent especially on their offensive line caught up to them last season. Andrew Thomas is one of the best left tackles in the league but he can only block one rusher at a time. Jones missed significant time and the Giants finished 30th in offensive DVOA. The Giants' weapons cache is the worst in the league.
If you want to keep drafting QBs just to watch them crash and burn, ala the Jets, by all means let us not get any receiving weapons.
https://theathletic.com/5421402/2024/04/19/2024-nfl-draft-ranking-qb-friendliness/
Quote from: Gmo11 on April 26, 2024, 09:17:50 AMIf the goal is to win 8 games instead of the usual 5 or 6 then yes this is a great situation. And Jones can do that with all these playmakers around him carrying the load.
If the goal is to win multiple playoff games and/or a super bowl they're going to need a better QB and they'll need him quick before Nabers becomes very expensive.
Quote from: y_so_blu on April 26, 2024, 09:07:40 AMWe needed a quarterback more than we needed a wide receiver. One of my favorite quarterback prospects fell into our lap at #6 and we didn't take him.
So let me check... no. No, I am not waking up happy.
Quote from: Giant Obsession on April 26, 2024, 09:52:31 AMI doubt there will be more than a handful of games where we are attempting to run out the clock.
But your point is right on.
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 08:01:04 AMTonka: Completely agree, but this year IMO they have the answer. Both Robinson and Nabers can contribute in the run-game, and Singletary is a proven NFL-caliber RB. Gray will no longer be a rookie and maybe he's ready to contribute. I think to address your point directly, this year the pass-attack will open it up for the run-game. Daboll/Kafka are not traditional coaches... they prefer the "newfangled" pass-first offenses, and whether we like it or not there will be very little (if any) "Giants' football" on offense and a lot more open attack. Bob
Quote from: Philosophers on April 26, 2024, 09:30:27 AMA breakaway, pass catching RB would be a nice piece to add to this offense which lost one nice piece in Barkley and needs a healthy replacement. Eric Gray is not the answer.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 26, 2024, 07:42:26 AMOver/under what week the complaints start to roll in via the wrs because the ball isn't getting to them?
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 07:13:38 AMOther than @MightyGiants point involving adding depth, I see this whole thing differently.
The question to answer is how adding Nabers affects Wan'Dale Robinson, not Slayton. Nabers has the potential to be elite, and one position he can play is WR, and he will be paid like a #1 WR, but these coaches will not deploy him as a traditional #1 WR.
I can't say how where all the pieces will be when the "dust" settles, but recall that Robinson played mostly out of the backfield in college, and Nabers spent a whole lot of time at LSU in the slot. I expect the Giants to move Nabers and Robinson around a lot and we'll see Robinson being used more like Barkley was. To get full value out of Nabers, they'll have to scheme him open (a lot more than if they had taken Odunze, for example). They can't just flank him out wide on every play.
Bob
PS. Ideally, (once Nabers has his feet on the ground, and assuming no injuries), Hyatt and Slayton will split time torturing defenses deep and one or both of them hopefully will have a big year (fingers crossed).