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Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on Today at 12:22:29 AMWhat a wildly disingenuous and self-serving statement.

I would say this is beneath you, but putting those who disagree with you into an illogical, inaccurate, and indeed ridiculous box to make your own opinions seem correct by extension is not a new tactic. And even this very thread shows how your self-statedly "proper" assessment is out of line with reality. To wit, I literally noted I could see Jones repeating or improving somewhat on 2022, but you ignored what I actually stated in responding to me in favor of what you find easier to attack.

Divergence of opinions is fine, and indeed healthy. Willfully misstating another's opinion because you disagree with it is dishonest and unworthy of recognition.

I'm just going to say one thing about this board that has always frustrated me. Nuance is usually missed or ignored when a forumite's post can be swept up in the current of a major running narrative.

What does Daniel Jones need to show you this year to prove that he's "the guy?"

Let's say he miraculously stays healthy all year, throws for 4000 yards, 35 touchdowns to 15 ints...do you trust that he's "arrived" and it's the new normal? I'm not sure I would. The eye test matters. I need to see things in his mechanics and how he responds to situations that raw metrics cannot capture. 

This topic/thread was put up as click bait. Nothing more. And it succeeded in that.

QB: Jones (if fit)
RB2: situational rotation
WR: Slayton, Nabers, Robinson with Hyatt getting more snaps
TE: Bellinger having lost the 10lb he wrongly tried to add
OL: Thomas Runyan JMS ?tbd? Eluemunor
3T: J Phillips/not yet on roster
ILB2: McFadden backed up by Beavers
S: Pinnock, Nubin with Belton as third S
Slot: A Phillips
CB2: not yet on roster/McCloud

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on Today at 12:22:29 AMWhat a wildly disingenuous and self-serving statement.

I would say this is beneath you, but putting those who disagree with you into an illogical, inaccurate, and indeed ridiculous box to make your own opinions seem correct by extension is not a new tactic. And even this very thread shows how your self-statedly "proper" assessment is out of line with reality. To wit, I literally noted I could see Jones repeating or improving somewhat on 2022, but you ignored what I actually stated in responding to me in favor of what you find easier to attack.

Divergence of opinions is fine, and indeed healthy. Willfully misstating another's opinion because you disagree with it is dishonest and unworthy of recognition.

I agree. This was a disrespectful post Mighty.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 30, 2024, 09:41:40 PMThis is a very inaccurate framing of the sides and the issues.  Based on this very thread, here is a proper description of the "sides."- On the one hand, you have people who are saying not to write Jones off just yet.  They are not saying he will, but they are not ruling out the possibility that he will be successful again like he was in 2022.  On the other side, you have people who are so certain of their assessments that Jones is a terrible or "middling" QB that they insist there is no possibility Jones can have another successful season, despite the, at least on paper, improvement of his support.

What a wildly disingenuous and self-serving statement.

I would say this is beneath you, but putting those who disagree with you into an illogical, inaccurate, and indeed ridiculous box to make your own opinions seem correct by extension is not a new tactic. And even this very thread shows how your self-statedly "proper" assessment is out of line with reality. To wit, I literally noted I could see Jones repeating or improving somewhat on 2022, but you ignored what I actually stated in responding to me in favor of what you find easier to attack.

Divergence of opinions is fine, and indeed healthy. Willfully misstating another's opinion because you disagree with it is dishonest and unworthy of recognition.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 30, 2024, 08:32:07 PMI agree. Bradshaw is pushing 80. He has had that job forever, plus he made plenty of money as a player. There aren't many NFL fans left who even remember him as a player.

Time to give an ex-player with a more direct understanding of the modern NFL a chance. Same with Johnson and others. Where does it say these guys get tenure?

As someone who is usually in tune with u, I couldnt disagree more (that's still ok these days right 😂)....i really enjoy hearing from oldtimers about the NFL. My dad passed away but some of my favorite interactions with him were our conversations where we talked Giants football. He was an oldtimer. Was good to hear his take. For instance he loved Daniel Jones. I am lukewarm at best. He kept telling me "don't give up on him, he just needs a line"

So for me, having people like Bradshaw stay involved makes me think about special moments with the old man where he tried to impart football knowledge from "his day" to help me become a more astute fan in my day.

I'll say this - I am very intrigued by Elamaneur. He WANTS it as evidence of his social media and his desire to show NY he is all in. An easy guy to root for

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 30, 2024, 09:41:40 PMThis is a very inaccurate framing of the sides and the issues.  Based on this very thread, here is a proper description of the "sides."- On the one hand, you have people who are saying not to write Jones off just yet.  They are not saying he will, but they are not ruling out the possibility that he will be successful again like he was in 2022.   On the other side, you have people who are so certain of their assessments that Jones is a terrible or "middling" QB that they insist there is no possibility Jones can have another successful season, despite the, at least on paper, improvement of his support.

This is an INCORRECT assessment of those who are questioning Daniel Jones. Speaking for myself, it was not said he is "terrible, or middling and no possibility of having success!"....actually those who are negative on Jones have stated QUITE the opposite!....we are still rooting for the guy and feel he is a good QB but not a franchise QB. Posts like that make me sincerely give pause.

As of now, here's what I would expect to be the de facto unit.

QB: Daniel Jones
RB: Singletary starting with Gray and Miller as the main backups. Tracy will be used as a gadget player and kick returner
WR: Nabers, Slayton and Hyatt as the outside receivers with Robinson in the slot (can't imagine Nabers isn't the #1 from the get go)
TE: Bellinger as the #1 TE with Johnson as the #2
OL: Thomas, Eleumunor, JMS, Runyan, Neal left to right (Stinnie at LG and Eleumunor at RT if Neal is terrible in camp)
DL: Dex and RNR as the starters with Davidson and Riley rotating in (probably see another late signing ala A'Shawn Robinson last year)
EDGE: Burns and Thibs with Ojulari rotating in on passing downs
LB: Okereke and Mcfadden start (Simmons as a primary backup who mixes in)
CB: Banks and Flott on the outside with Phillips in the slot
S: Nubin and Pinnock (Mills rotates around the secondary)