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#21
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
Last post by Ed Vette - Today at 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 02:24:21 PMLarry,

That's one of the reasons I wish they would have graded the front 7 as a group and not had Burns and Thibodeaux as OLBs.  Seems like they used "base" defense lineups to grade this even though teams are in "base" less than 30% of the time. 


I all comes down to positional responsibilities. The 3/4 Mike has more coverage responsibilities and the 3/4 Edge do not. That's why I separate the LB's from the DLine. I am curious if Thibs and Burn have the sand in their pants to transition to DE responsibility. If so, the Giants are a 3 Tech away. Simmons would be my Will and McFadden my Sam.
#22
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Bellinger vs Theo Johnson
Last post by T200 - Today at 03:46:03 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 09:33:44 AMI wouldn't think you would consider this a Daniel Jones issue because Bellinger shined with DJ as QB in 2022.  That was until he sustained a serious eye injury.  Bellinger never was the same when he returned from that injury in 2022 and didn't regain his rookie magic in 2023
I wonder if the damage was mental as well as physical. Could he be playing scared?
#23
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
Last post by Painter - Today at 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 02:24:21 PMLarry,

That's one of the reasons I wish they would have graded the front 7 as a group and not had Burns and Thibodeaux as OLBs.  Seems like they used "base" defense lineups to grade this even though teams are in "base" less than 30% of the time. 


I think of it and feel the same as you, Matt. As for Burns and Thibs and indeed for Ojulari, I see them as Edge players who in a given situation may line up as a DE in a 3- 4-, or 5- in making up of the front 7 with Okereke, and McFadden, or Simmons at ILB. 

Cheers!   
#24
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Bellinger vs Theo Johnson
Last post by TONKA56 - Today at 03:13:49 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 09:26:00 AMBellinger needs to focus less on his biceps and more on making an NFL body

I suspect Bellinger's issue is more with his  vision and less on doing too many arm curls. 
#25
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
Last post by uconnjack8 - Today at 02:24:21 PM
Larry,

That's one of the reasons I wish they would have graded the front 7 as a group and not had Burns and Thibodeaux as OLBs.  Seems like they used "base" defense lineups to grade this even though teams are in "base" less than 30% of the time. 

#26
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse
Last post by Painter - Today at 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: jgrangers2 on May 12, 2024, 09:32:58 PMAnd in looking at that article, the one place where I'd say they definitely haven't improved is the D-line simply because I don't know if there's anyone there with significant upside beyond Dex. With a group like the secondary, it may not be better NOW than it was when Gettelman left, but it could very well be in the future (gotta see how guys like Banks, Phillips and Nubin progress). When Schoen took over, I doubt many people would have expected James Bradberry to still be here in 2024.

You and I have a different perspective as to whether or not the D-line may be better this year than it was last year. Let me begin by saying that I was never able to recover from having witnessed the abomination of last season's 2-8 start in which the Wink Defense gave up 265 points bookended by 0-40 and 17-49 losses to the hated Cows. Whatever may be the why and how of it, process or personnel, I'm still gagging from the thought of it.

Okay, that was then and this is for now. And so, upon quieter reflection, I must acknowledge that my optimism may be flawed, and certainly is weakened by my "can't get any worse" perspective. That said, I do believe that Brian Burns will prove to be an major asset wherever Bowen places him among 3-,4-,5-man fronts.

In any case, I'm troubled to have to imagine myself in the more usual litany of fan behavior:

Raters  gonna rate.
Baiters gonna bait...or bate as the case may be.
Haters  gonna hate.
Skaters gonna skate.
Waiters gonna wait.

That last one does have some appeal.

Cheers!
#27
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants Player Development ...
Last post by uconnjack8 - Today at 01:33:50 PM
I agree that the team has not done a good job of getting the most out of their players, but I would disagree with some of those names in terms of being considered "marginal backups" at any point in time. 

Linval Joseph played his best ball after he left the Giants. 
Kareem McKenzie was a starter for the Giants day 1 and a good one.
Bradshaw didn't get many opportunities early.  Never saw him as marginal, but he did develop into a bigger role
#28
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Jones hate among sports pu...
Last post by sxdxca38 - Today at 01:25:59 PM
I also remember something Tom Coughlin said when certain players were complaining about the fans booing.

Coughlin said "Then don't give them a chance to boo."

If you play well the boos will disappear, it's that simple.

#29
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Jones hate among sports pu...
Last post by sxdxca38 - Today at 01:23:00 PM
Everyone here has a different opinion regarding DJ.

And in the end it doesn't matter what anyone thinks, the only thing that matters is how he and the Giants play during the regular season.

If he plays well and the Giants start winning again, the negative and critical comments will disappear, and he will remain the starting QB.

If he plays poorly, and the team continues to lose, then he will be released and a new QB will be brought in.

We will just have to see how this transpires.
#30
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Jones hate among sports pu...
Last post by Stringer Bell - Today at 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 12, 2024, 07:51:32 AMThere are legitimate criticisms and concerns about Daniel Jones, and then there is an unhealthy obsession with seeking ways to put the man down.   The remarkable part is from everything we have seen of the man, he doesn't deserve the hate.  The man is among the hardest working (hardest luck) players in the NFL.  Yet there is this obsession with crapping all over him

No one should be surprised at this. It happens on this board all the time. Topics completely unrelated to DJ turn into a DJ dumping ground with regularity.

I agree there are legit questions and concerns. And I also agree that a large portion of fans and media seem to place too much focus on DJ when the reality is that there are plenty of other issues facing the Giants. And why drafting DJ's replacement was not going to be the panacea some thought it would be.
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