Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Trench on Today at 02:20:15 PMIt will be interesting to see if this new defense generates more pressure also

From what I have heard, Bowen prefers to try and generate his pressure from his front four, while Wink likes to generate it via blitzes and extra rushers.   So in theory we should see more production from the D-line and edge players

Quote from: Trench on Today at 12:59:22 PMRich,

I'm not very familiar with our new defensive system but my question is knowing what you know of it, do you think Boogie will be a good fit or a surprise this year?

I think Boogie might be a better fit in Bowen's defense in the 3-4 DE role.  Wink tended to sub out his DEs (for an edge, second DT, or another DB).  It's possible Boogie could be the DE (with Thibs or Burns being the other DE) and on obvious passing downs you have Burns and Thibs as the DEs

@Jclayton92 and @Ed Vette

How would agents view Schoen if he tried to force a renegotiation of an injury guarantee?   While I have seen players be asked to take pay cuts or be cut, I have not witnessed a team try to renegotiate a guarantee.  There seems to be an unwritten rule (I am not fully versed; it might even be a written rule) that guarantees money in contracts.

Do you think that might hurt Schoen in future contract negotiations?

https://x.com/GiantInsider/status/1785725747320996267

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 01:19:09 PMI think a bigger question is how much the ACL affects his running ability, since that's a big part of his game.  A neck injury that only keeps him out 3 weeks doesn't seem that threatening, to me.  But what do I know?

I think the ACL will hamper Jones, especially at the beginning of the season.  The one thing I remain hopeful about is that Jones' running tends to be more of a straight-line runner than a quarterback who does a lot of juking.

@Jolly Blue Giant

Looking at the PFF grades, I think there could be some validity to suggestions that he wasn't a good fit for Wink's system




Boogie came into the league at 6' 3" and 275 pounds, which doesn't scream 3-tech (too light)


I also looked at his NFL.com scouting report.   One thing that was sort of interesting was this:

"He's a big dude, but he's also carrying some extra weight and will need to lean down a little bit or he's going to end up eating himself inside." -- Personnel director for NFC team

You can read the rest of his write-up here

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/boogie-basham/32004241-5314-1481-9904-6347892079b0

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 11:45:54 AMHopefully DJ has a bounce back year and this injury thing is simply a moot point.

IF   DJ was being completely honest about his second neck injury just being a routine stinger (and implying it had nothing to do with his prior )neck injury

IF the Giants can properly protect DJ, there is a reasonable chance he can avoid another major injury

Quote from: LennG on Today at 11:42:59 AMKiper gave the Giants a B.

Here was his write-up


Top needs entering the draft: Wide receiver, cornerback, quarterback

The Giants were on the clock at No. 6 overall Thursday night, faced with a fascinating decision: Would they take quarterback J.J. McCarthy -- which would have been an admission that they regret the Daniel Jones extension from the 2023 offseason -- or would they get a true No. 1 wideout for Jones in either Rome Odunze or Malik Nabers? They could start fresh under center or they could give Jones another year with the playmaker he has never had.

Ultimately, I think they made the right call, prioritizing a pass-catcher in Nabers (6), who is electric with the ball in his hands. Jones had a disappointing start to last season and then tore his ACL, but he showed his talent in 2022, when New York made a surprising run to the playoffs. Now he's going to have one more year to prove he's the guy, or the franchise will move on in 2025.

I would have taken a few other safeties ahead of Tyler Nubin (47) in Round 2, but you can't deny his playmaking ability; he had 13 career interceptions for the Golden Gophers. Dru Phillips (70) is a late riser who played a lot of slot coverage snaps in his career. With Darren Waller's future up in the air, I liked the pick of Theo Johnson (107) early on Day 3. He's my fourth-ranked tight end in the class.

This is a small class, but all four of the Giants' top selections should have significant roles this season. Nabers might end up being the most-targeted player on the team.

Former GM Jeff Diamond gives his grade on the Giants


 NEW YORK GIANTS: B+
Despite the rumors, I never believed the New York Giants would pick a first-round quarterback. Daniel Jones was a solid quarterback who won a playoff game in 2022 without a premier wide receiver. As he comes off his ACL injury, he's undoubtedly happy to welcome an elite receiver prospect in Malik Nabers.

The former LSU wideout is explosive and close in ability to Marvin Harrison Jr. Nabers had 44 receptions of 20-plus yards over the last two seasons (and 14 touchdowns last season) playing in the SEC.

Second-rounder Tyler Nubin was the top-ranked safety in the draft. He defends well against the run and pass and will replace Xavier McKinney.

Andru Phillips adds talent at cornerback and Theo Johnson is an athletic tight end —  a good fourth-round value. He's insurance if Darren Waller retires or gets hurt and a possible successor. Tyrone Tracy brings speed and explosiveness to the backfield in the later rounds, and Darius Muasau can be a sixth-round find at linebacker and on special teams.


Here is Diamond's resume

Jeff Diamond is a former general manager of the Minnesota Vikings and team president of the Tennessee Titans. He was selected NFL Executive of the Year after the Vikings' 15-1 season in 1998.

He now works for the NFL agent group IFA based in Minneapolis and does other sports consulting and media work along with college/corporate speaking. You can follow him on Twitter @jeffdiamondNFL.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 11:10:30 AMRe-read my post and please don't put words in my mouth. I never said he should. I simply said I'd be shocked if he did.

I didn't try to put words in your mouth; I was just asking you if you would blame him for not doing so. I am at a loss as to why you would think otherwise.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:55:06 AMHe could have a high qb rating, and qbr but still end up with 3000 yards, 12 tds and 5 ints and that would be successful to you?

With a minimum of at least 15 games, those numbers seem unlikely.  Still, I can't answer that question without knowing why, despite being in the top 10 when throwing the ball, the team elected to have Jones throw so few passes.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:46:49 AMI think the organization would be negligent if they see he is still seeing ghosts to allow him back out there to run into defensive linemen. Yes all of his sacks aren't on him but he didn't help the situation either.

I would be perfectly content with them wrapping him in bubble wrap and placing him at the end of the bench. Then telling him if he wants to play he's welcome to waive the injury clause, if not enjoy your   🍿.

If Jones still sees ghosts, he needs to be benched regardless of the contract.  The team will simply have to accept that they broke DJ beyond repair and move on.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:41:32 AMSo then what is your baseline expectation for Jones this season?

What will be a good season for you? Is that 4,000 yards 20 tds and 5 int or what?

You obviously think Jones will ascend, so was does that look like in production?

I am not a big fan of just statistical measures to say what is a successful season (as that removes context), but I will offer up what I would consider a successful season by Jones:

1)  No more than two games lost to injury, ideally less

2)  A QB rating of at least 95

3)  A QBR of at least 60

4)  As I mentioned previously, I would like to see his YPA hit 7.0 or better


I am not saying Jones will hit these marks, as I can't predict the future.  I do think there is a reasonable chance he will, but I am not going to go far as to say he is favored to do so.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 10:26:54 AMHe squeezed the Giants for every dime in that salary negotiation. I'd be shocked if he took a team friendly approach and waived it.

Considering that NYG's failure to protect him contributed to his injury issues, would you blame him for not waiving this part of his contract?

I will say one thing I would like to see from Jones this season.  I want to see his yards per attempt exceed 7.0 this season.   YPA is a pretty good measure of how a QB is driving the ball downfield, and ideally, you like to see that number be higher than 7.   I recently saw a statistic that Jones has never exceeded that mark in his college or pro career (he came close with a 6.8).   Nabers is DJ's first true YAC generator (although Robinson can also be pretty good at that).  With hopefully better protection and with a couple of receivers who can add to DJ's passing yardage, hopefully, he can finally exceed that 7.0 mark