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10. BOBBY OKEREKE, NEW YORK GIANTS
A career-high 78.9 PFF grade highlighted the best season of Okereke's career, his first with the Giants. The 2019 third-round draft pick ranked ninth at the position with an 82.5 PFF coverage grade, and he was one of the surest tacklers in the league, missing just 7.7% of his attempts

Hopefully nabors is moving around going to test all of our corners and make them better. Hopefully bank v Nabors makes them both elite.

Also hot take but I think Belton and Nubin  start at safety.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 31, 2024, 03:15:26 PMAnd Ezeudu is young and was injured, which is why it is wrong, IMO, for some fans to just write him off.  In addition to the guys we brought in we have 3 guys, Ezeudu, Neal, and JMS who fit into Bricello's caution.

Completely agree, I also think they should leave Ezeudu at one position.

Quote from: todge on May 31, 2024, 01:04:54 PMCurious where you ended up with a calculation of 30 fans who think the deal was bad. You didn't poll me, so I guess you can make that 31.

Winning a road playoff game after being mired in sub- mediocrity for so many years is a great season for the Giants. This isn't fantasy football so who cares what the stats turn out to be. Daboll and Schoen certainly didn't care and in the end, they are the voices that matter, not the fans.


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Do you watch any Giant related content? Because I think you'd be hard pressed to find any media or nfl expert that has said the Jones deal was great or even good.

Now the contract is currently a roadblock to our future but we got 1 playoff win before getting dominated the next game so I guess it is worth it....

Quote from: todge on May 31, 2024, 12:58:36 PMBarkley flopped in the Playoff game rushing for 53 yards. While DJ rushed for 100 yards and threw for over 300.

As to his paltry 15 TDs - he also ran for 7. Daboll had to run a conservative offense because of the OL limitations and the lack of talent at WR. Besides , this isn't fantasy football. A QBs ultimate job is to run the offense and Jones did just that. That's why he earned a second contract and justifiably received one commensurate with starting QBs in this league.


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I dont disagree with the barjley part, you did see where I put that Barkley hit the wall vs Houston. Meaning from Houston onwards he wasn't good which corresponded in us losing most of the remaining games outside Washington and a bad Indy team.

You can't say it's a Daboll/Kafka offense that limited DJ because that's completely false. You can't have Devito taking double the deep shots as Jones, and tyrod taking 3 timed the deep shots as Jones, and say that it's a schematic thing.

It's a Jones limitation currently and I think most of his advocates would acknowledge that he's got to go deep more often because it is not enough currently.

"Don't judge a player when they're young, and don't judge a player when they're injured," Bricillo said Thursday when referring to Neal.

Neal has either been a raw rookie playing on the opposite side, or injured. I think he ends up being a solid starter if he can stay healthy.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 09:56:29 PMBut Daniel Jones did work in his first season in 2019

24 TDs to 12 Int's in 13 games

He also worked again in 2022

3900 total yards 22 TD's 5 Int 93.2 RTG 60.6 QBR ranked top six

So, it hasn't been the same thing over and over again with the same results.

Plus making playoffs and a playoff win.

Daboll and Schoen made the right decision.

They drafted an elite WR and improved the O line a bit.

Your may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.

3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.

2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 09:31:51 PMFair enough,

however,

DJ is coming off a devastating acl injury and cannot fully participate yet, and he's still outshining the others.

While Lock and Devito are fully healthy.

Secondly,

DJ hasn't been in the same system for six years.

He is entering his 3rd year in Daboll's system.

This will be Devito's second.

And Lock his first, however Lock has been in the league for five years, entering his sixth, same as DJ.

I have nothing further to say, off to rest.

Jones is only participating in 1 7v7 set a day while everyone else participates in 11v11, but for 40 million he should look 10× better than a guy making 5 million. It shouldn't be a whew glad he looks better than our 5 million dollar backup. Does that not show just how bad off we are at the qb position? when our hope is, well I would really like our 40 million dollar qb to outplay the guy that was just brought in at a fraction of the cost and an undrafted player today.

Enjoy your rest 👊

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 08:18:24 PMSo, let me get this straight, you are advocating for Daboll and Schoen to trade Daniel Jones, their starting QB right now. Okay, so quick question for you, who are they going to trade him too? And what player are they going to get in return?

Secondly, you claim Daniel Jones is a failure. May I ask a question then? In 2022 when the Giants made the playoffs and won a game, with Daniel Jones as the starting QB, were you advocating back then that he was an albatross and a failure?

Just curious?

He was saying teams normally don't double down or hold onto bad mistakes. If a qb doesn't work within a couple seasons they are gone and yet despite that we still have Daniel Jones.

49ers, CHI twice, Pittsburgh, the Jets twice, and so many more that have drafted a nonelite qb and then released them to start fresh. The Giants however being outdated are still clinging onto the same not so great player.

Doing the same thing over and over just to get the same result.

Also Jones Contract has universally been acknowledged as a bad deal along with the Giants attempts to select a new "guy".

I think Y was just saying please let's try something different besides what we've been doing over and over that has failed.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 08:22:04 PMHi,

Devito's been in the same system for over a year now, and according to reports DJ is way ahead of the other QB's.

This is a great thing to see, wouldn't you agree?

And if DJ begins to start throwing the ball deep several times a game, especially to Nabers, then this will be a much-improved offense

Rich and myself were discussing Lock not Jones or Devito.

I'll still answer the question:

Jones in year 6 should be ahead of an undrafted qb and a backup. It shouldn't be a great thing to see, it should be a given.

He can't get any worse throwing deep than he has been the past 2 years, and now he won't be as mobile. So we should all be hopeful it improves.

The audio tune is cranked to a 100.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 30, 2024, 05:06:28 PMThat's good info...I'm glad they are focusing on improving STs (assuming they sign him)

Yeah as a complimentary guy last season he had 1 int 46 tackles, 1 FF, and a solid tackling grade.

Had a promising few games in 21 or 22 but he's really a specials guy and someone that can actually tackle in the secondary. Believe he's only missed 4 tackles his whole time in the league.

Quote from: GloryDays on May 30, 2024, 04:22:21 PMi DON'T LIKE THAT MOVE... he is bright and he runs well. he will contribute on another team, if he doesnt go on our P S

He added zero value as an actual RB. We can find special teams players everywhere.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 30, 2024, 02:54:11 PMI agree with your point to an extent.   I would have preferred to hear Lock was lighting it up and that there could be a QB competition.   I consider the Admittedly early reports on Lock less than ideal.

It's may, in shorts, in a new system etc so I'm not too concerned with anyone's progress rn. If it's the same come August that's another story.