Big Blue Huddle

I'm actually looking forward to this production!

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 01:59:15 PMThey don't know who the starting QB will be.

We didn't know who the starting QB was in 1977 either! The very limited Giants' NFL Properties at the time only featured #10. Great! Which QB was #10? NO! You don't get it, #10 was Brad Van Pelt, our star LB!!!

The Giants shipped Craig Morton to Denver in exchange for Steve Ramsey. They signed Dennis Shaw in 1976. They also signed three kids, Jerry Golsteyn, Randy Dean and the infamous "Patterson Plank" Joe (whose name shall not be mentioned on this board lest one wish an ugly encounter with the "Tru-Blu fan," the tall, dark handsome, now retired CBS engineer parked in front of the Gevalia Urn sipping today's light-roast special). The ugly disaster of six pre-season games in 1977 revealed quickly that neither Shaw nor Ramsey were up for the Giants' QB gig, and that John McVay would go into the season with the three kids with zero (0) NFL experience between them.

Perhaps they didn't know any better, or maybe Frank Gifford's Hall of Fame halftime ceremony charged up the troops, but the Giants, led by Golsteyn, kept pace with George Allen's Redskins all day. George Martin returned an INT for a TD, but the Giants still trailed late in the final quarter. But the Giants' Defense generated a fumble, which they recovered, and "The Beak," Joe Danelo, booted the kick straight and true for the winner and Giants Stadium rocked. Forget those Cowboys and Steelers #12 jerseys, we now have our own #12 hero! Right! Right? Uh, right, everyone, uh, hey, give it up for the "Steen" guys and gals! Where'd everyone go? They went down to Dallas next week where #12 in the blue jersey was squashed like a bug on a windshield by this huge player in a white jersey with the #79 on it (i.e. Harvey Martin). The Giants had a left tackle issue back then; Gordon Gravelle was completely overmatched and the results were very similar to last year's season opener. Golsteyn (#12) was injured and in came our fearless leader from New Mexico State, #9 himself. He didn't fare much better but, at least to his credit, he tossed up a wing and a prayer that became the Giants only "Hail Mary" that was answered that day in a 41-21 whooping in Big D.

So, the point is that this discussion made me chuckle, a little, because it brought back memories from the 1990s as well as the 1970s. You want the QB on the Germany poster? Just be glad we have a poster at all! Sometimes you have to grateful for even the little things.

Peace!

I wanna see the Wink tantrum.     

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 02:15:57 PMMust be nice being neutral. After all the unnecessary sacks taken and illustrated on this site and QB comparison on other teams who managed well, your context is subjective. The Offensive Line was clearly an issue, so was the QB.

I wasn't coping your point, Ed; you just beat me to it.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 02:03:29 PMYou'd be very hard-pressed to find me taking any exception to drafting or not drafting a QB.  I never took a position.

But I apologize for continuing to bring facts, context, and perspective into the discussion.

As it relates to context, should we continue to decouple the Offensive Line from the QB performance? From your posts, I get the impression you believe only the QB benefits from the OL, but fail to acknowledge the OL benefits from sound QB play. If the latter is terrible, it can make the OL appear worse than it is, or at the very least make thier jobs more difficult.  I stumbled across the article below a few years back and kept it to test thier conclusions at the end of each year. I highly encourage you read and consider the points made.  To be clear, I'm not suggesting the Giants OL is great, good, or even average. I acknowledge they stink and negatively impact DJ's performance; however, I also acknowledge DJ's shortcomings contribute to a significant portion of his sacks. IMO, they collectively stunk...

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/are-nfl-quarterbacks-responsible-for-sack-quality 

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 02:20:18 PMWouldn't Jones throwing to Nabors and Hyatt make for an exciting promotion. The team is struggling to find an identity and this was the best they could do.

The veiled conspiracy theory would be who will the starting QB be for the NY Giants when the media is dropping hints of a competition between two struggling passers.

And add Singletary as well. There's a new 26 in town.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 02:17:03 PM

All good my man! 

The day we all agree, we can close shop.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 02:06:55 PMThat's a *little* more plausibe. Little.

Wouldn't Jones throwing to Nabors and Hyatt make for an exciting promotion. The team is struggling to find an identity and this was the best they could do.

The veiled conspiracy theory would be who will the starting QB be for the NY Giants when the media is dropping hints of a competition between two struggling passers.

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 02:15:39 PMI did get a chuckle...you know I respect and appreciate what you do!  We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. 

All good my man! 

I don't see the problem. It was well reported that the Giants tried to trade up for the QB of the future.

With that being said, does anyone think Jones is the "face of the franchise"?

I don't see the issue here.