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Former NFL executive and current analyst Michael Lombardi believes that New York Giants co-owner John Mara impacted the club's decision to not spend the sixth pick of the 2024 NFL Draft on a replacement for starting quarterback Daniel Jones.

"And remember, John Mara, the president of the team -- he's the reason why Daniel Jones is making all that money -- he loves Daniel Jones," Lombardi said during a Monday appearance on sports radio station 106.7 The Fan, per Dan Mennella of Audacy. "He drafted Daniel Jones as the sixth pick overall. Nothing would make them more happy than Daniel Jones being successful. They're almost willing it to happen. It won't, but they're hoping it will."

Specifically, former Giants general manager Dave Gettleman selected Jones with the sixth pick of the 2019 draft. Current New York general manager Joe Schoen and Mara came together to sign Jones in March 2023 to a four-year contract that could be worth up to $160M.

The Giants can escape that agreement next offseason as long as the 26-year-old isn't dealing with a football-related injury at that time.

This past March, well-known radio host and FS1 personality Colin Cowherd suggested that Mara wanted a quarterback in Jones who Schoen and head coach Brian Daboll "privately don't want."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/amp/former_executive_has_theory_on_why_giants_didnt_draft_daniel_jones_replacement/s1_13132_40300610

Inevitably the Jones conversation breaks down to a debate about some abilities being coachable and others being innate. While I think there is some merit to this, it is often over-exagerated and becomes a crutch. 

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on Today at 12:22:29 AMWhat a wildly disingenuous and self-serving statement.

I would say this is beneath you, but putting those who disagree with you into an illogical, inaccurate, and indeed ridiculous box to make your own opinions seem correct by extension is not a new tactic. And even this very thread shows how your self-statedly "proper" assessment is out of line with reality. To wit, I literally noted I could see Jones repeating or improving somewhat on 2022, but you ignored what I actually stated in responding to me in favor of what you find easier to attack.

Divergence of opinions is fine, and indeed healthy. Willfully misstating another's opinion because you disagree with it is dishonest and unworthy of recognition.

I'm just going to say one thing about this board that has always frustrated me. Nuance is usually missed or ignored when a forumite's post can be swept up in the current of a major running narrative.

What does Daniel Jones need to show you this year to prove that he's "the guy?"

Let's say he miraculously stays healthy all year, throws for 4000 yards, 35 touchdowns to 15 ints...do you trust that he's "arrived" and it's the new normal? I'm not sure I would. The eye test matters. I need to see things in his mechanics and how he responds to situations that raw metrics cannot capture. 

This topic/thread was put up as click bait. Nothing more. And it succeeded in that.

QB: Jones (if fit)
RB2: situational rotation
WR: Slayton, Nabers, Robinson with Hyatt getting more snaps
TE: Bellinger having lost the 10lb he wrongly tried to add
OL: Thomas Runyan JMS ?tbd? Eluemunor
3T: J Phillips/not yet on roster
ILB2: McFadden backed up by Beavers
S: Pinnock, Nubin with Belton as third S
Slot: A Phillips
CB2: not yet on roster/McCloud

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on Today at 12:22:29 AMWhat a wildly disingenuous and self-serving statement.

I would say this is beneath you, but putting those who disagree with you into an illogical, inaccurate, and indeed ridiculous box to make your own opinions seem correct by extension is not a new tactic. And even this very thread shows how your self-statedly "proper" assessment is out of line with reality. To wit, I literally noted I could see Jones repeating or improving somewhat on 2022, but you ignored what I actually stated in responding to me in favor of what you find easier to attack.

Divergence of opinions is fine, and indeed healthy. Willfully misstating another's opinion because you disagree with it is dishonest and unworthy of recognition.

I agree. This was a disrespectful post Mighty.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 30, 2024, 09:41:40 PMThis is a very inaccurate framing of the sides and the issues.  Based on this very thread, here is a proper description of the "sides."- On the one hand, you have people who are saying not to write Jones off just yet.  They are not saying he will, but they are not ruling out the possibility that he will be successful again like he was in 2022.  On the other side, you have people who are so certain of their assessments that Jones is a terrible or "middling" QB that they insist there is no possibility Jones can have another successful season, despite the, at least on paper, improvement of his support.

What a wildly disingenuous and self-serving statement.

I would say this is beneath you, but putting those who disagree with you into an illogical, inaccurate, and indeed ridiculous box to make your own opinions seem correct by extension is not a new tactic. And even this very thread shows how your self-statedly "proper" assessment is out of line with reality. To wit, I literally noted I could see Jones repeating or improving somewhat on 2022, but you ignored what I actually stated in responding to me in favor of what you find easier to attack.

Divergence of opinions is fine, and indeed healthy. Willfully misstating another's opinion because you disagree with it is dishonest and unworthy of recognition.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 30, 2024, 08:32:07 PMI agree. Bradshaw is pushing 80. He has had that job forever, plus he made plenty of money as a player. There aren't many NFL fans left who even remember him as a player.

Time to give an ex-player with a more direct understanding of the modern NFL a chance. Same with Johnson and others. Where does it say these guys get tenure?

As someone who is usually in tune with u, I couldnt disagree more (that's still ok these days right 😂)....i really enjoy hearing from oldtimers about the NFL. My dad passed away but some of my favorite interactions with him were our conversations where we talked Giants football. He was an oldtimer. Was good to hear his take. For instance he loved Daniel Jones. I am lukewarm at best. He kept telling me "don't give up on him, he just needs a line"

So for me, having people like Bradshaw stay involved makes me think about special moments with the old man where he tried to impart football knowledge from "his day" to help me become a more astute fan in my day.

I'll say this - I am very intrigued by Elamaneur. He WANTS it as evidence of his social media and his desire to show NY he is all in. An easy guy to root for