Big Blue Huddle

The weekend has finally giving me some down time.   I am reading Mike Lombardi's Football Done Right.   He was reviewing the greatest coaches in NFL history.   Being a good teacher is a common thread among the greats.  Other traits varied, but most have this trait in common.   I really haven't heard much about Daboll's teaching skills.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 25, 2024, 07:21:57 PMWho are the best NFL CBs in somewhat recent times (say the last 20 yrs) who were lighter than 180 lbs?

Can someone provide three or four recognizable names?

This article covers lightest current CBs

https://hortonbarbell.com/average-height-and-weight-of-an-nfl-cornerback/

Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on May 25, 2024, 12:33:26 PMI'm guessing it still doesn't account for the correct spot

That's what I am thinking, the official still needs to spot the ball.   I can't think of a current technology that could determine where the ball is when the runner is down.   The location of the ball is easy, it's their down part that is the challenge.

https://x.com/mysportsupdate/status/1793056463851598265?s=61&t=RhLqKLKssFU2uI0Nr0nfxQ

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 25, 2024, 07:38:19 AMInteresting that the Rams, whom I suspect any observant/unbiased fan would consider one of the smarter and more forward-thinking franchises in the league, are last in this.

Additionally the Ravens, Dolphins, 49ers, Texans, Bills, and Bengals, all of whom have been pretty successful recently, are in the 19th to 30th range.

Meanwhile the Colts (number one), Jets, Giants, Saints, and Falcons are all in the top 10.

At first glance at least, it's hard to see much of a positive correlation between average RAS score and team success.

I suspect it's a bit flawed to just average up the team.  Projected starters should be weighed more heavily and there seems to be some positions were RAS is more important than others

Kent Lee Platte
@MathBomb
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May 23
5. New York #Giants
Avg #RAS 7.75

The G-Men, like several others ranked this highly, seem to have made changes over the last few years with the intent of making their roster more athletic overall. After final cuts, they might even jump their highly rated 2023 roster.

https://x.com/MathBomb/status/1793725369390100762

https://x.com/MathBomb/status/1793727283485880798

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 24, 2024, 02:08:20 PMThey are just making him earn it.

What is perplexing is McCloud ending last season as cb2 along with flott in the slot but now they're switched. McCloud is stiff but with this d you have to have a slot that can tackle.

Three possibilities


1) these are the player's best positions


2). They are trying to light a fire under Hawkins by pumping up Flott


3)  the whole draft status thing

https://x.com/bigbluevcr/status/1794111131901915389?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Quote from: Philosophers on May 24, 2024, 01:49:42 PMIt's his weight for his height.

Float is 6' 1/2" so he should be in the range I listed

Quote from: Trench on May 24, 2024, 02:25:42 PMI think he was speaking rhetorically. And I also really didn't see anyone being critical but I do notice and like the fact that jones is defended by many no matter what. That isn't a bad thing.

The solid majority of fans on this forum are very knowledgeable.   So I (and I assume @AZGiantFan  ) both see stating the obvious, that throwing well in OTAs does not guarantee success come September, as needless and it feels like it's said just so one can say something negative about the guy (it also feels a bit belittling as I certainly didn't need to be told about the meaning of OTAs).  Maybe I am wrong, and there was another reason it was said.   Maybe there has been just so much arguing and ill-feelings on this subject that there is over-sensitivity.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 24, 2024, 01:30:50 PMAm I crazy or is 180 not really small for a CB?

CBs are usually in the 190-205 range

Q. I know your goal is always to get a little bigger. That was one thing coming out. Have you made strides in that field?

COR'DALE FLOTT: I am at 177 right now. The goal is 180 obviously. But obviously to get comfortable in the weight. I don't want to gain weight and it be bad weight and be out of shape and not be able to move around. I feel good so far, continue to build with the weights staff.

Q. What were you when you came in?

COR'DALE FLOTT: What was I? I was like 174.

Q. You talk about Charlie, but also Andre Patterson is working with you guys. What is that like?

KAYVON THIBODEAUX: Dre is a legend. He's like Mr. Miyagi, Yoda, knows how it all works. Charlie comes in and, he's the young, the energy company. When you talk about the scheme, things like that, they've been working hand-in-hand. When you see how it's going to continue to unfold, I think last year the interior and the edge weren't cohesive. Now it's going to start to work like clockwork. That's the maturity. That's where I'm growing as a player and we're growing as a defense, being able to play as a unit.

Q. What in particular do you think are the next steps for you? I need to get better at this, this, this?

KAYVON THIBODEAUX: We talked about it. My coach, Charlie (Bullen), he's been cooking. I'm really happy to have him. I thank God I have him, to be honest. He's been very instrumental in the short period we've been together. Talk about accolades plus respect equals achievement to legacy. That's kind of what we've been talking about. Last year I was able to get 11 and a half sacks. Those are the accolades. Now it's about getting that respect throughout the league, having teams fear coming to play against us. Just taking everything I do to the next level as far as that extra. Greatness is optional. I just got to kind of take that next step.


Charlie Bullen spent the 2023 season as the Illinois football program's outside linebackers coach/pass rush coordinator. Bullen joined the Fighting Illini in January of 2023 with 11 years of NFL coaching experience, including four years with the Cardinals.

Bullen spent the 2020-2022 seasons as Arizona's outside linebackers coach after originally joining the staff as assistant linebackers coach. He also served seven years with the Miami Dolphins from 2012-2018, working with the linebackers and defensive line.

With the help of Bullen's outside linebacker group, the Cardinals ranked fifth in the NFL with 89 total sacks from 2020-2021. Of those, 50 came via the outside linebacker position. During that span, three Cardinals outside linebackers posted 10+ sacks: Markus Golden, Chandler Jones, and Haason Reddick.

Prior to working with the Dolphins, Bullen coached for three seasons (2009-2011) as a graduate assistant working with the defensive backs at his alma mater, the University of Iowa.

Charlie Bullen's Coaching Timeline:

2024-Current: Outside Linebackers Coach, New York Giants

2023: Illinois, Outside Linebackers Coach/Pass Rush Coordinator

2020-22: Arizona Cardinals, Outside Linebackers Coach

2019: Arizona Cardinals, Assistant Linebackers Coach

2016-18: Miami Dolphins, Assistant Linebackers Coach

2013-15: Miami Dolphins, Assistant Defensive Line Coach

2012: Miami Dolphins, Defensive Assistant

2009-11: Iowa, Graduate Assistant (Defensive Backs)

2007-08: Iowa, Student Assistant (Quarterbacks)

Q. You mentioned on draft night you were watching like everybody else. That potentially affected your career. What was your thought process when you know there might be a quarterback out there? Were you thinking is this a vote for me or not me?

DANIEL JONES: I mean, I wasn't fired up about it. But I think it's part of it at this level, like I said. What I can do is focus on myself and getting healthy, play the best football I can play, and that I know I'm capable of playing. That's my job and that's what I'm going to do.

Q. Did you talk to Joe (Schoen) and Brian (Daboll) after they picked Malik about the quarterback pursuit?

DANIEL JONES: No. We talked about the pick, talked about getting Malik and getting to work with him.

Q. Do you feel they're committed to you for the long-term?

DANIEL JONES: Yeah, I feel good about where we're going. I feel good about this team. My job is to get healthy and play good football.

Q. Do you view Drew (Lock) as a competition for quarterback one job or do you think that's your job when you're healthy?

DANIEL JONES: I think we're all trying to do what we can to make this team as good as possible. Like any other year, I'm competing with the guys in there. Like every room on our team, there's competition. Like I've said a couple times, I'm going to try to get healthy, play good football.

Q. Do you feel like you got a lot to prove this year?

DANIEL JONES: I always feel like I have a lot to prove. I'm motivated, I'm doing everything I can to be ready to go.

Q. They tried aggressively to trade up three spots to draft Drake Maye. Do you take that personally?

DANIEL JONES: I don't think you can take anything personally at this level. How exactly it happened and what happened, I'm not sure I know and I'm not sure you know. At the end of the day, I'm focused on playing good football.

Q. Back in college, they are always recruiting over you. Is the mindset the same at the pro level? Do you look at it the same?

DANIEL JONES: Similar, yeah. I think I've always kind of had that kind of mindset. I don't think that changes how I work, how I go about my job, how I see my job and how I'm going to approach every day. That's not changing regardless of the situation.