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Daniel Jones
NEW YORK GIANTS QB
The Giants reportedly dabbled with replacing their rehabbing investment, whose ball-security issues returned behind a porous line in 2023. Perhaps Malik Nabers can restore his fortunes.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-qb-power-rankings-brock-purdy-jordan-love-crack-top-10-in-first-post-draft-pecking-order/
Purdy #2?
I don't really know what criteria they are using, but common sense tells me ranking guys who have never taken a snap in the NFL ahead of any veteran is just a big red flag as far as credibility goes.
So, I am to believe that guys like JJ MCcarthy, Bo Nix and Bryce Young are better QBs than DJ? What a waste of time for CBS to even post that garbage. Zero credibility and nonsense.
DJ is not rock bottom, cmon. He regressed terribly last year, but the real question with him now is his health. Can he stay upright is more pressing than his ability.
In the words of the late great Jimv, who is Cody Benjamin and why should we care about his opinion?
Worse than Bryce Young? Come on...
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 09, 2024, 02:12:01 PMIn the words of the late great Jimv, who is Cody Benjamin and why should we care about his opinion?
Apparently someone that the NFL on CBS with 1.4M Followers considered worthy enough to broadcast his work on Twitter
Laughable. The rookies should clearly not be graded - they've never taken a snap. And I don't see any universe where one could definitively put Anthony Richardson (who played 4 whole games last year) or Bryce Young ahead of him.
Since misery loves company... it must suck to be a Panthers fan. They traded up for the first pick then chose the wrong guy.
Nowhere to go but up at least.
I'm no Jones apologist but dead last is laughable.
I won't even give them a click.
You can't rank those who never played a down in the NFL. I made my own rankings and had him at 21.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on May 09, 2024, 04:43:13 PMI'm no Jones apologist but dead last is laughable.
I won't even give them a click.
I'm not really disagreeing, but just as an exercise, and bearing in mind that incoming rookies are clearly a speculative projection in this, which QBs in this list have proven to be decisively worse besides Bryce Young?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 09, 2024, 04:59:09 PMI'm not really disagreeing, but just as an exercise, and bearing in mind that incoming rookies are clearly a speculative projection in this, which QBs in this list have proven to be decisively worse besides Bryce Young?
Perhaps nobody. But i wouldn't take take Young over Jones.
Perhaps I'm wrong. But he shouldn't be last.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on May 09, 2024, 05:04:27 PMPerhaps nobody. But i wouldn't take take Young over Jones.
Perhaps I'm wrong. But he shouldn't be last.
I think Darnold is likely to start the season in Minny, and Jones is definitely better than Darnold, at least in my eyes.
He may also be better than Brissett. Is he definitely, 100%, decisively better than Brissett? Possibly, but I'm not sure. I'd say probably, but I don't think it's some runaway, obvious thing.
He is very likely better than some of these incoming rookies, but we don't know that for sure yet, nor do we know which ones.
The rest of the QBs on this list, I'm sorry, but I don't see the evidence that Jones is clearly better than them. Could that change this year? Sure it could - these rankings are fluid. But right here, right now, I'm just not sure that that's the case.
Realistically and objectively right now he is, being generous, 21 out of 32. Which means a really good year for him only gets him to 15 or 16 while a few currently in front of him drop. That's his ceiling.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 09, 2024, 05:14:33 PMI think Darnold is likely to start the season in Minny, and Jones is definitely better than Darnold, at least in my eyes.
He may also be better than Brissett. Is he definitely, 100%, decisively better than Brissett? Possibly, but I'm not sure. I'd say probably, but I don't think it's some runaway, obvious thing.
He is very likely better than some of these incoming rookies, but we don't know that for sure yet, nor do we know which ones.
The rest of the QBs on this list, I'm sorry, but I don't see the evidence that Jones is clearly better than them. Could that change this year? Sure it could - these rankings are fluid. But right here, right now, I'm just not sure that that's the case.
Good post. Also, I think this is why tiers are better than numerical rankings. A bunch of these guys can be shifted around based on how they played in their last game (which is fair for a power ranking).
If there's a tier for QBs who can't be trusted to run a functional offense against a good defense in a playoff game, half the QBs would fall into that category. If there's a tier for QBs who can't be trusted to run a functional offense against a solid defense in the regular season, is Daniel Jones in that tier? He's entering year 6 and still has to prove he can be a consistent lower-end starter from one year to the next.
Brock Purdy at #2 lol. C'mon now. This is silly, Jones is no good in my opinion, but how do they put guys who haven't even played an NFL snap yet on this list.
Let's reevaluate in January. That said, I was done with Jones on the opening drive against Dallas last season. He won't be our starter I don't think anyhow.
No offense here, but I saw this yesterday and was going to post it, but as soon as I saw the rankings, I decided (and for me, not a Daniel Jones fan) against it. It was really too much over the top.
How in the world can you rank 5 guys who never took a damn snap in the NFL ahead of even the worst QB in the league?
Quote from: LennG on May 09, 2024, 08:22:27 PMNo offense here, but I saw this yesterday and was going to post it, but as soon as I saw the rankings, I decided (and for me, not a Daniel Jones fan) against it. It was really too much over the top.
How in the world can you rank 5 guys who never took a damn snap in the NFL ahead of even the worst QB in the league?
I get your point Lenn, but if you're doing these rankings you have to put the rookies somewhere if they're expected to be starters.
I'm not saying these rookie rankings are going to be accurate, but I'm not sure you should just automatically put them all at the dead bottom of the league if you're trying to give your forecast of where you think they'll be. I think the writer is making a speculative assessment here. He may be wrong in his assessment obviously, but just automatically ranking them at the bottom solely because they're rookies doesn't seem like the best approach to me.
I personally think maybe this topic should be pinned and held up for the entire year so that everyone can see that CBS sports had Daniel Jones ranked as the 32nd worst QB in the entire NFL.
And
Then after the 2024 season is completed everyone will see where Daniel Jones truly ranked, and if CBS sports should ever be taken seriously again, or if they were truly right on the money?
Only time will tell.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 09, 2024, 10:47:56 PMI personally think maybe this topic should be pinned and held up for the entire year so that everyone can see that CBS sports had Daniel Jones ranked as the 32nd worst QB in the entire NFL.
And
Then after the 2024 season is completed everyone will see where Daniel Jones truly ranked, and if CBS sports should ever be taken seriously again, or if they were truly right on the money?
Only time will tell.
Excellent idea.
To put Jones dead last reeks of click bait and is extremely disrespectful. I hope the guy posts the article above his locker and goes out and makes a big turnaround. If only he would practice looking off the safety. That would be a start. One can hope
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 09, 2024, 08:33:32 PMI get your point Lenn, but if you're doing these rankings you have to put the rookies somewhere if they're expected to be starters.
I'm not saying these rookie rankings are going to be accurate, but I'm not sure you should just automatically put them all at the dead bottom of the league if you're trying to give your forecast of where you think they'll be. I think the writer is making a speculative assessment here. He may be wrong in his assessment obviously, but just automatically ranking them at the bottom solely because they're rookies doesn't seem like the best approach to me.
IMO you don't put the rookies at the bottom of the list, you leave them out.
Lol on Purdy, but last time I checked, he and his team were either in overtime in the Super Bowl, in year two of his career, or throwing with a blown out elbow in the NFC Championship game in his rookie season.
He's in a system that is working well for his skillset and he doesn't have to apologize for the talent around him; he just wins. He only needs to take the final step and become a championship quarterback. He's still growing into the position and getting better.
He's accomplished all that in his season and a half experience in the NFL.
Definitely top five, but you can make a case why or why not for second best.
Peace!
P.S. the Jones ranking is a bait click scheme, enough said.
Maybe Daboll wrote the article for CBS as the ultimate motivational tool for Jones now that he has all these new receivers. Would be a bold move.
We should take note that CBS Sports as a network did not compile these rankings. A young reporter Cody Benjamin did. He is from Minnesota and in all likelihood is a Vikings fan.
He must have seen Jones dismantle his team in the 2022 Playoffs where he was clearly the best player on the field. He must be going by his 2023 performance where he only had 1.7 seconds to throw the ball because of a historically inept offensive line. Yes Jones was awful but you just can't play this game without pocket protection. I don't think Benjamin knows this.
Whatever the reason, everyone who read that ridiculous piece of trash knows you can't put rookies who have yet to play a snap ahead of any starter in the league. I have to think his bosses are not happy campers.
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Quote from: brownelvis54 on May 11, 2024, 12:14:43 PM
Good video, despite everyone talking over everyone else, but they're keeping the discussion points on Purdy fair and, in the end, if this all adds up to anything meaningful, he probably should be in the top five and you can certainly debate, pro or con, whether number two is the right call.
Peace!