Quote from: Ed Vette on May 18, 2024, 05:06:22 PMIt took me months to properly evaluate JJ instead of just the drive up the board hype that some folks here got on board with. He was the perfect fit but they didn't want a QB controversy on the cusp of their 100 year Anniversary.
Quote from: jimc on May 18, 2024, 10:13:44 AMI believe this is the crux of the issue. Being hyper critical of DJ can and should never be confused with supporting him. You may say being critical does not prevent you from rooting for him, but I disagree. I contend that most folks that are hyper critical are more likely to root against DJ in order to prove they are correct in their hyper critical analysis.I get what you are trying to say but you are completely wrong.
hyper critical equals "shitting on"
hyper critical not equal to constructive criticism
QuoteI blame the majority media for creating a "bash DJ" emotion among many fans. From the very get go of the draft when we took Daniel Jones, the talking heads (that's what they are because they are not coaches hired for their incredible insight, knowledge, and hands on development of QBs), went insane over the pick because (as all talking heads) they need appear profound in their knowledge so that fans actually buy their BS. Now, they (talking heads) are deeply invested in proving themselves right and will never let it go because they need the ego-boost that they are worthy of getting big bucks to tell fans what they should feel, rather than their own feelings about a player. The talking heads haven't let go of their hatred for Jones since the moment he was chosen. In so doing, they have converted a lot of fans into buying their BS
How many criticisms from talking heads talked negatively about Dak Prescott after his 14 fumbles and 10 interceptions in 2021 (in 12 games). Nary a complaint from talking heads about his ridiculous turnover rate (multiple times more than DJ) or about his salary. BTW, DJ had 7 fumbles in 21...literally half that of Prescott. Most likely, talking heads have the same shortsighted mindset that is, "all winning is done by the QB" and therefore, Prescott is worth his 4-year, $160 million contract, which includes no-trade and no-tag clauses Could it be because Prescott plays behind a real NFL offensive line...or that their defense was excellent...or that their skill players were better than average?
Here's another interesting stat:
What QB had the most turnovers in their career?
NAME TO % RATE
Brett Favre 363 7.1
Eli Manning 300 7.0
Drew Brees 285 7.6
Vinny Testaverde 278 6.9
Peyton Manning 268 7.7
Ben Roethlisberger 262 7.6
Tom Brady 260 7.4
BTW, the lowest TO rate is held by Kerry Collins
I guess what can be taken from that is that successful QBs tend to be gunslingers who take more chances than less successful QBs
Regardless...getting down on Carl Banks for being frustrated with the negative vibe, not only from fans, but from most media outlets, is a normal reaction. That same frustration is held by all the players on the team who have great faith in DJ, as do I
To sum it up:
I believe DJ is extremely talented (height, arm strength, highly mobile, accurate, etc), as do all the players on the team and the coaches. No one from the comfort of their couch, beer in hand, watching TV knows what DJ has been told to do, or even a hint of an idea how well or fast he processes information...even when they claim to be mind readers. And yeah, we are all well-aware that the team has sucked for a long time now. We don't need more stats to know that. Yet, not all of us believe a great QB can make a "less than mediocre team" to the Super Bowl, nor are we stuck in that "short-sighted" mindset that it's a "team game". All the regurgitated stats proving DJ sucks does not change anyone's opinion. The problem has been across the board and is not an overnight fix. Trying to convince the rest of us that we would be a winning team if we just drafted a different QB isn't changing minds
Oh well...so much for staying out of it...duhhh
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 18, 2024, 02:07:24 PMWhile there are probably some individuals who feel this way, I believe it is a real minority. In my experience, most Giants fans, including ones who think highly of Jones as a starting NFL QB and ones who don't, didn't want the Giants to take the fourth QB off the board sixth overall. Particularly once it was clear their front office didn't think highly enough of McCarthy as a prospect to do so. If anything, people are probably angrier that that they didn't end up with a top three pick despite being so clearly terrible last season.It took me months to properly evaluate JJ instead of just the drive up the board hype that some folks here got on board with. He was the perfect fit but they didn't want a QB controversy on the cusp of their 100 year Anniversary.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 18, 2024, 12:58:12 PMI would date it a little earlier than that. I date it to Kevin Gilbride being made a scapegoat because Mara said the offense is broken. Gilbride developed Eli, as QB coach, and then as offensive coordinator led them to year after year of top ten offenses and 2 SB victories, despite some idiot fans calling him K*i*ll*drive*. Then the offense had one bad year and they scapegoated him. I think of the Giants' woes since then as the Gilbride curse.Don't even get me started on that one. You're talking to the the Regional President of the Kevin Gilbride fan club of North America. Still, Coughlin worked well with McAdoo who crashed and burned without his mentorship. McAdoo was not supported properly by Reese. He was too worried about his own job. In Reese We Trust? In a pigs eye.
* why won't the editor let me type the name he was called without changing it to Gillbride??
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 18, 2024, 03:55:21 PMSmart people hide among us...and some of them are getting rich by playing a ditz or playing a brute...or being a model or musician. Must be good money in getting celebrity status, lol
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 18, 2024, 02:34:40 PMIf you want smart, Mayim Bialik of The Big Bang Theory and Jeopardyshould do it for you. She actually DOES have a doctorate in microbiology in real life.