Big Blue Huddle

I don't think Daboll's 6-1 start last season was luck. I think it was because the regime change gave the team momentum, Daboll was a breath of fresh air after Joe Judge who was possibly the least qualified HC the franchise hired since the early 1970s and looked like a mediocre actor playing a "tough guy" coach on some bad tv movie. In the first half of last season, opposing teams didn't know quite what to expect and the Giants pulled off a bunch of wins because of that, and because things came together for them personnel-wise. Also, Jones played to his full potential, and with Barkley back, the team clicked, for a while.

Once teams caught on to what the Giants were doing, on offense and defense, it all came to a screeching halt. Right now, these coaches are clearly fresh out of ideas. Daboll looks like a guy who just doesn't know what to do. He is making poor decisions and is unable to explain them in his pressers. Sorry, it's not about De Vito. The Giants have fielded bad QBs in the past. I mean really bad. But even then they were competitive. De Vito didn't give up 49 points yesterday. I remember bad seasons but I don't remember seasons with blowouts like this, the game being over in the 1st quarter and just getting worse from there. Games where there's no hope at all. The Giants were often losers, but they were tragic losers, fighting hard. Even in the 70s. This feels different.

May I remind everyone that this season is far from over. They are 2-8 and have 7 more games to play. Things could get much uglier. If they just get blown out in every game - and that could happen - I'm sorry but all your declarations about how De Vito sucks and no coach could win with him, or about how you don't fire another coach after two seasons, or all the other stuff, go right out the window. You can't have a team lose game after game by 30-40 points. Especially if it happens at Met Life. You don't even need a head coach for that. You can get a similar result with the players coaching themselves.

If the Giants manage to play competitive football down the stretch and get a couple more wins in the the process, finishing 4-13 but giving the fans some hope to cling to for next season, Daboll survives. But let's say the Giants lose their rest of their games in blowouts - sorry but that's not tenable, even for a stiff like John Mara. Schoen, who is still much better at his job than Gettleman was, might be told that he has more time to try to right the ship and he and Mara go shopping for yet another coach, and they draft J J McCarthy or Drake. They will probably get the head coach hire wrong again, but that's another story. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 13, 2023, 09:26:02 AMLet's see if Carl tells it like it is today. I think he exposes all the problems but falls short of being critical of the GM and HC. You don't xxxx where you eat.

The dude works for the Giants media. He's a good guy but he's never going to directly criticize leadership.

His body was like a rubber band. He just never got hurt. It was unbelievable.

Really annoying. The Giants win that game against the Jets if they have a functioning kicker. I don't understand the mindset of knowingly playing an injured player who can decide games.

Quote from: Giant Jim on October 18, 2023, 06:08:23 PMMara can't, Tisch would then have full control. The Mara family's 50% is really like 51% as president John's decision breaks any ties.

I don't think this is true. The Mara family has exactly 50% and John represents that 50% and when he speaks, he also represents Tisch. That's an equilibrium that goes back many decades and it will not change now or probably ever.


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McAdoo got fired as much for his benching of Eli as for the 2-10 record the Giants had at the time.

Daboll and Schoen will be here next year, but if things continue this way, I expect the team to have a new rookie QB.

I am actually a Jones fan. But I don't believe you can come back from being hit so much in one season. Better QBs than him have had their careers ruined because of that.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 08:46:07 AMOne bad game and suddenly Jones is the worst man on the planet.  "dull-minded"?


(He) earned an economics degree at Duke, and the undergraduate program ranked No. 1 nationally when he applied. He could've attended Harvard or Princeton (he had a scholarship offer). He was a three-time Academic All-ACC selection, which requires at least a 3.00 grade-point average for the academic year.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/giants-hoping-daniel-jones-intelligence-shines-when-it-matters-most/

Daniel Jones had a 37 on this Wonderlic (20 is average intelligence)

Jones may have flaws, but "dull-minded" certainly isn't one of them.

Okay dull-minded was the wrong term as he is not dumb. And he is not the worst person earth (how did you conclude that??) I just meant he has a very dull personality. Again, it's not necessarily a big deal. but I find him to be very different from Eli.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 08:40:46 AMConsidering that Daboll worked with Schoen at Buffalo, do you think it's a coincidence that Daboll ended up as the head coach?

No it is not a coincidence. But head coaches hire their own staff.

Schoen doesn't hire the coaching staff. Daboll does that.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 06:30:15 PMSo what do you propose?  How do you not give him a
I am fearful we are living Judge/Gettleman part two

No way are we there. Joe Judge was a complete fraud, a joke. As for Gettleman, the less said, the better.

Quote from: AYM on October 04, 2023, 06:44:50 AMThere's a larger theory that since the 1950s, the Giants and Lions have essentially been the same. The difference is the Giants got LT and Eli to save them and the Lions got Barry Sanders and Megatron to try to save them.

Now Hutchinson is saving the Lions and Barkley failed to save the Giants.

There is no way on earth that you can compare the NY Giants to the multi-decades story of futility and failure that is the Detroit Lions (their current quality notwithstanding). And there was a lot more to the Giants 4 SB titles than LT and Eli.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 06:56:29 AMIf you think about it Reeves, Fassel and McAdoo all had good year 1's then declined in year 2.  Parcells and Coughlin had double digit loss year one then made the playoffs in year 2.  Though Ray Perkins had a 6-10 year 1 and declined in year 2 to 4-12 leading to the 2nd overall pick and the draft pick that changed the franchise then playoffs in year 3.  Hope Daboll is more like Ray Perkins than Reeves and Fassel.

Reeves was a story of decline. 11-5, then 9-7, then 5-11, and 6-10. But the man had a track record. He wasn't a good fit for the Giants.

Fassel's tenure was weird. 10-5-1, 8-8, 7-9, 12-4, 7-9, 10-6, 4-12. Three postseason appearances that all ended disastrously. Never put together two straight winning seasons.

Ray Perkins inherited a horrible, shell-shocked team. He went 6-10, 4-12, 9-7, and 4-5. But he helped put in the foundation for the great Parcells teams.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 04, 2023, 06:40:28 AMIs that really the case? I don't know to be honest. I am under the impression Jones has more of a personality than what we see in press conferences. If you recall, during Eli's playing days, he was kind of a dud in press conferences too. The personality he is showing now as a retiree is very different from what he was like as a 24-28 year old. Heck, even after that first SB win I wouldn't say he showed a ton of personality as a player.

Most NFL players, and professional athletes, are trained to say as little as possible in press conferences. But Eli, while goofy, was never robotic. He was always intelligent and with a good sense of humor, you can see it in interviews with him and the Super Bowl movies that NFL films made. Daniel Jones seems really dull-minded to me, not much to say at all. I wouldn't care so much about that if he was winning. But I think truly great players always have some sort of personality to them. 

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Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 09:57:07 AMWell John Mara thought because he had Eli's personality and was coached by the same guy Eli was in College that he would be Eli who could run.

Typical John Mara misunderstanding. Eli had a personality. DJ doesn't. He has legs.

I am hoping these are severe growing pains with a new regime that is clearly an upgrade over the previous regime. Think back to the 1980 season, the second year for GM George Young and his head coach Ray Perkins. The Maras had finally been sidelined after the Fumble in 1978. In 1979 they show signs of life, going 6-10 but showcasing a rookie QB named Phil Simms and a very decent defense. In 1980 they went 4-12 after starting 1-3. But in 1981, they go 9-7, make the playoffs and start the road to recovery. This situation is different, but it's possible the Schoen-Daboll regime is going through sophomore blues before the team can blossom. The Maras, for now, are still sidelined, thank god. What I saw last year was very encouraging. This isn't Joe Judge and Dave Gettleman and John Mara making major decisions, no way.