Big Blue Huddle

Wasn't the 2002 game a loss?

I expect a season of soaring heights and occasional downs. Excitement every week. Fresh, unpredictable play-calling. Post-game interviews in which both coaches and players tell us what they really think. Twists and turns in each game. 4th quarter heroics and follies. The commercials on TV will get shorter, and less inane. Folks on this board will wear smiles and sing kumbaya every week, regardless of the game's result.

And in the end, an 8-8 record. Team brass will remind us that this is better than 7-9 and something to build on for the future. Coach Coughlin will tell reporters that he's disappointed but in a secret talk with his players in the locker room that will be seen only by millions on YouTube he will tell them that the world can kiss his a*s. Co-owner Steve Tisch will tell the media that he looks forward to next season and then go sailing on his yacht. Co-owner John Mara will tell the media that he expected much more from the team and will decide to comb his hair to the right rather than the left.

One thing for sure: There will be many threads on Eli here. Many, many threads.   

In all honesty, it is impossible, not to mention disingenuous, to make such judgements about our presidents without talking about partisan politics. All these presidents whether one likes them or not are and have been politicians, representatives of political parties. It's like asking who in your view is the best doctor you've ever had but please avoid talking about medicine.

That said, a discussion of partisan politics can be lively without devolving into cheap shots, conspiracy theories, and personal gripes. It can - but not on this thread, alas.

A couple of folks deserve a D maybe. The rest of us deserve much higher. Give credit where it's due.

Quote from: CAGiantFan on June 02, 2012, 12:38:57 AM
If anyone can be said to have been the author of the Constitution it would be James Madison, with its philosophical father being the English philosopher Edmund Burke.

That's right about Madison. But I believe you are thinking of John Locke, not Edmund Burke.

Best Hair: Andrew Jackson

Second best: JFK

Worst Dye Job: Ronald Reagan

Best jokes: Tie between Reagan and Gerald Ford.

Funniest pronunciation of the word "nuclear": Jimmy Carter

Second funniest: George Dubya Bush

Most soothing voice: FDR

Best at holding down his drink: Warren G. Harding

Best at working a hidden tape recorder: Richard M Nixon

Quote from: UniHamachi on May 23, 2012, 04:53:39 PM
I don't think Tiki had that locker room cancer reputation until after he retired. While he was playing, he was a classy, team first guy who was one of Wellington Mara's favorites. He was nowhere near the disruptive influence that Jeremy Shockey was. I don't think he's nearly as bad as he's being portrayed, although he did deserve the scorn for his post Giant career choices. It was just one misstep after another for that guy.

Tiki was a cancer on the team pretty much from the moment Tom Coughlin showed up. The constant public critiques of the coaching? The 2006 farewell tour as the season was going on? Those were anything but classy.

I always thought that if Rodney Hampton hadn't gotten hurt, and had played with better coaching, he would have been the best Giants back ever. At his best he was like a cross between Barry Sanders and OJ Anderson. (I know I'm exaggerating a bit)

The great Retro. Where in the hell is he.

Brian, nothing to add except:

It ain't broke. Don't fix it.

I vote to keep things the way they are, which is fine.

Don't forget the Fire Reese sweatshirts while you're at it.

Quote from: terrymeisner on December 03, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
A question to those of you who were on the old boards - what was the format that was used around 1999-2000, before the transition to BBWC, when MOTM actually was transitioning out? Wasn't there a guy called Steve who "owned" the board in some way and was the moderator-ruler of it? Just curious if anyone remembers.

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bluem....i think you are thinking of larry simmons, who co-owned the site with adrienne when it first started....go Giants!!!!!

http://web.archive.org/web/19961029222717/http://www.bbwc.com/

Thanks, Terry. No, i remember the early days but I'm thinking of the transition period in 2000. I think the fellow's name was Steve Jones. He ran the board the Super Bowl year. it was kind of a rough and tumble board that year. MOTM was mostly AWOL. There were transitions having to do with the dot-com bubble ending, as the board passed from owner to owner. (and eventually landed with scout).

To put things in perspective: some of the people listed here were Giants message boards pioneers - some of the very first people to use the fledgling internet, back in the mid-90s, to build and participate in an online community of Giants fans. It was a very interesting thing that way. It was also a learning process. We were all trying to figure out how to use this new medium to have conversations. The etiquette wasn't as settled as it is today, and not everyone (myself included) knew how to handle the anonymity that went with it. It got quite heated at times, far more than this board or even the current BBWC ever does. But it enabled people to speak across regions, sometimes across the world (there was an early feature on the old graffiti wall and then board that let you see where everybody else was in the world, which at the time was very cool and novel).

Regarding specific people: I never met any of them so my impressions were those of a fellow poster.

Christopher Allen was memorable. No one ever took an internet message board more seriously. He saw his role as a gatekeeper - he greeted almost any new poster with a comment about the "casual fan'. He had a profound hatred of the AFL and all former AFL teams (this was the source of his hostility to Joe Namath). He also saw himself as a protector of the reputation of Wellington Mara and the team's ownership and would get furious if someone criticized the way the team was being run. He was a staunch defender of Jim Fassel and some of his battles with others on the board (Retro in particular) were legendary. When he died, many people were stunned to discover he was 41. They had him pegged as a guy who was much older.

Gabe - I remember him as a humorous poster with a light touch - he didn't seem to have much to say about football or the Giants, but genuinely enjoyed interacting with people on the board. People genuinely liked him, because he was so friendly.

Mojo - His football understanding was astonishing. He was very welcoming and friendly to new posters. He exuded warmth, sympathy, and intelligence. As far as I could tell, the only way to get him mad was to say a bad word about Harry Carson, his favorite player.

A question to those of you who were on the old boards - what was the format that was used around 1999-2000, before the transition to BBWC, when MOTM actually was transitioning out? Wasn't there a guy called Steve who "owned" the board in some way and was the moderator-ruler of it? Just curious if anyone remembers.