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He's makes plays all the time. Nubin is an excellent pick whom I've watched several times with the Gophers. He really surprises you with his natural instincts..baits qbs into picks..tackles well. A+ for me.

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Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 07:35:37 AMIf they are treading water for the next 2 years, do you think Daboll is still around for the new QB?

Hard to say.

I don't think Jones will be the QB for the next two years, first of all. It's not impossible, but my base case is he will be gone after this year. Even if he plays like he played in 2022, which I know some here think was really good, I think they will be looking to go in a different direction after the season is over. He'll have to play multiple cuts better than he has ever played before to stay in my opinion.

Of course, if the team is something like 9-8 this year (I am not at all saying they will be, just if), then they'll be in a tough position to draft a QB. They'll be looking at picking up the scraps outside of the top 10, or giving up multiple future first rounders to move up in what figures to be a weaker class than this year. So there is that issue too.

One thing I know for sure is that if they didn't want to preserve the option of cutting Jones after 2024, they would have restructured his contract to not have to absorb a $47mm hit this year. So unless they suddenly do that (I don't know what the deadline is), we know that they're not all-in on him as far as the long term goes. We also pretty much know that they tried to move up to three and weren't able to. All the reliable sources like Rapaport have stated that as basically fact.

So as far as Daboll and Schoen go, I think if they move on from Jones after 2024, they're not going to be in a position where they're expected to suddenly contend with a rookie QB. I guess if this season is a total catastrophe Mara could just clean house, as we have seen him do before, but I think that is far from being base case.

I was ready to pack it in around 10:30 last night but Joe hinted at a possible trade up back into the bottom of round 3.  That forced me to stay up for another hour watching until they finished the round and witness no trade.

 

I get the bewilderment over the seeming focus on defense, but I feel like sometimes things just unfold the way they unfold in drafts, and you try to play the hand you're dealt in as advantageous a way as you can. Free agency is where you have more control, and the Giants clearly made offensive line a focal point in free agency. Yes, they also picked up a very expensive defensive player, but that was a cornerstone piece, and there aren't many occasions where you can get a 25 year old genuine star without giving up a 1, which is what the Giants managed to do there. The rest of free agency was all about offense (O line, TE, and RB), and they used their most valuable pick by far on offense.

I don't think they should have used a top 50 pick on a running back this year. I don't mind doing that if the team is better, but we just have too many other needs, and RB is a position that can be addressed in rounds three through five most years. Should we have taken one in the third round? Perhaps, but corner is a big need, and corner is not a day three position whereas RB can be.

I'm not saying what the Giants have done is perfect by any means or that it won't later be proven that they made mistakes, but I don't think you can go into a draft with a strict positional plan beyond the first round and really beyond the top 10. Stuff happens in drafts that you can't plan for, and good GMs are the ones who have different plans for different situations, not ones who are stuck on one gameplan and just take whatever player they can find to fit that exact gameplan, even if it's a reach.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 07:35:37 AMIf they are treading water for the next 2 years, do you think Daboll is still around for the new QB?

That's a damn good question and I almost included it in my comment. I'd have to say yes because Schoen is just as culpable. But I never know what John and Chris Mara are thinking despite all the presumption that surrounds them. 

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 26, 2024, 08:35:38 AMIs Nabers the kind of guy that will flap his arms, talk smack to his quarterback, and make remarks to the media if things aren't going well?

why i preferred odunze. much better personality. but time will tell.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 25, 2024, 10:07:33 PMIf Nabers makes DJ a top 10 QB I will be jacked as I like DJ.  If he throws for 2,500 yards, 16 TDs, 9 INTs and is sacked 60+ times, I will really wonder about this pick.

I Think the pick certainly helps dj, but also puts pressure on him to perform. if he doesnt, we just spent a huge amount of draft capital on nabers, and you HAVE to go get him a qb that can maximize his talent. it puts just as much pressure on jones, as it takes off.

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 05:39:42 AMI believe we may be looking to the 2026 draft and will tread water until then.

If they are treading water for the next 2 years, do you think Daboll is still around for the new QB?