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I have a theory that the Maras care slightly more about optics than they do winning. It's the reason you'd never see Harbaugh or Gruden coaching the Giants. I'm not certain of this, and if it is the case, perhaps the team ownership country club isn't themselves fully aware of it. I have a bad feeling Brian Daboll may have been spoken to about his public demeanor and has been neutered. If this is true, he may be cooked.

Has it really gotten so bad in Giants fandom that our only victory can be found in schadenfreude?

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Quote from: uconnjack8 on September 16, 2024, 09:57:11 AMIf the plan is to draft a QB this offseason then here is what I don't want:

They keep Daboll, draft a QB, the team stinks next year and they fire him.  Then a new HC and OC are brough in and the QB has to learn a new system. 

Like others, I have a lot of questions with Daboll and Schoen at this point.  We'll see how things look in 4-6 weeks with the schedule getting more difficult.

That's a scary proposal. Remember that Jones was drafted to play in Shurmur's offense. Obviously there are reasons beyond that which got us to where we are now...but horses for courses is a real thing. I think I'd rather have head coach, offensive coordinator, and GM on the same page. But hey, it's an imperfect world. 

I wish we knew exactly how the relationships within the Giants' organization worked. I'm not talking about power structure. I'm talking about who the allies are and which relationships are tense. I suspect there are cracks forming. The Daboll-Martindale rift may have been a glimpse into a larger issue.

Another one of the incompetent untouchables...

Quote from: Ed Vette on September 14, 2024, 12:50:58 PMLet's hope he doesn't wind up the best QB on this team. I may then have to bring BluesCruz back to life.

My wife has her Devito shirt ready to go. 

Losing Saquon sucks and it will result in even more struggles for the offense. Defenses can now ignore the run-game altogether.

But it was a band-aid that had to get ripped off and I wonder if he really wanted to be here anymore.

I was tired of listening to the same old conversation about not paying running backs and number 2 overall pick and Gettleman blah blah blah blah blah blah BLAH!!!

Quote from: files58 on September 12, 2024, 10:11:01 AMAbsolutely. However I only care about the Giants, and them winning on the field(s). In the past 10 years Mara has screwed up in fantastic fashion yet the team's value has more than tripled. Can you name another business where producing a vastly inferior product has led to financial success? Where is the incentive to win games with a triple fold increase in value?

A free medium soda wasn't enough?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on September 11, 2024, 01:33:03 PMI don't know that Jones has deep or intermediate in his game currently for defenses to even worry. If I'm a defense I'm baiting Jones to throw a dumb pass every play until he shows he doesnt and letting us run until we can show we can do that.

That's exactly my point.

Quote from: BlueMoshik on September 11, 2024, 04:38:34 AMThey have made a lot of big mistakes. But I believe the problems are structural.

1. John Mara seems like a nice guy but he is an unbelievably incompetent "Team President". He's there because he's a co-owner. Anyone else would have been fired from that job 8-9 years ago.

2. Chris Mara also can't be fired from his job despite being demonstrably incompetent over the last 13 years because, like John Mara, he is a co-owner.

3. This means that two incompetent people are ultimate decision-makers on the team, and no one can get rid of them, or hold them to account. The Giants will never be good as long as these two guys are running the show. It was the same when Wellington Mara their very nice-guy dad was in charge. In 1979, there was a rebel in the family (Tim Mara Jr.) who could shake things up and force the NFL to intervene. No such person exists today. The co-owners, the Tisch family, don't know anything about football.

4. Look closely at the Joe Judge hire. Who in their right minds would hire that guy as a head coach. Easily the worst NFL head coach of any team in the last 15 years. He had no resume. All he had was the ability to act like a coach on TV, and that, plus a phone call with Bill Belichik (who only produced NFL head coaching failures in the NFL and failed himself as soon as he didn't have Tom Brady) was enough to hire him. That was after they had hired Ben McAdoo and Pat Shurmur, who weren't much better. A braintrust that makes these hires doesn't know what it's doing, is essentially hopeless.

5. Gettleman. Awful. But Schoen has been here three years now and the Giants are as bad as they've ever been. That's on the current leadership, starting with John and Chris Mara.

6. At the end of this season they will fire Schoen and Daboll. But John and Chris Mara will still be in charge of hiring the new guys and the result won't be much better. If instead of calling Belichik like they do every two years to get his instructions on who to hire as HC (which is what they did with both Judge and Daboll), they just hire Belichik himself to run the team, it will be an unmitigated disaster. This team could be like the Lions were for four decades. Consistently among the worst teams in the NFL, without any chance of success. 

7. They could have gone out and tried to get Jim Harbaugh, he wanted to come. We would be seeing a completely different team (I guarantee you Daniel Jones would not be his QB) and we wouldn't be having this sad conversation. That may have been their biggest mistake. 

I agree with much of this. Don't forget Director of Player Personnel Tim McDonnell...who also just happens to be Wellington Mara's grandson, which makes him another unfireable, unaccountable executive in a senior management position. 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 10, 2024, 08:19:13 PMMaybe. Both have had some doozies. Gettleman had Hernandez, Baker, and Toney. The only Schoen pick so far that seems as bad as those is Neal.

I'd say Schoen so far has shown more discipline overall around free agency too. Ok, you can kill him for the Jones contract, but at least he gave himself an emergency two year out, which is almost unheard of for a big time second QB contract. Gettleman on the other hand gave you Golladay and Solder.

Solder I find amusing since so many on this board were absolutely banging the table for him at the time.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 10, 2024, 06:52:08 PMGettleman, no question. He was completely out of his depth in the modern game. Dude may have set this team back a decade.

Gettleman was a by-product of bringing in Ernie Accorsi to "assist" in the search. That whole thing was weird. It's like Mara needed Ernie to bless the union. It's not like it was a legitimate candidate search.

Quote from: Philosophers on September 10, 2024, 05:35:50 PMNo
No way. 

Yes. After the past ten years it will take an absolutely epic debacle to lead to a house cleaning. A mere bad record won't be enough.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on September 10, 2024, 05:40:05 PMIn your opinion what was the biggest blunder the Giants did in the past 10 years? For me...one stands out the most is letting Tom Coughlin go and not having a good coach to right the sinking ship. We should have gotten Jim Harbaugh before he went to the Chargers ( runors had it he want the Giant job) Sean Payton could have been a viable option, Dennis Allen might have been solid too.

Instead we get Ben McAdoo, Steve Spagnuolo, Pat Shurmur, Joe Judge and sad to say Brian Daboll looks to belong to this group.


I really think Jim Harbaugh could have turned things around.




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Fans screamed for change for the sake of change. They got it. And here we are.