All those picks and no ability to make sure the proper coaches were in place to develop them.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2024, 03:30:23 PMImagine taking a time-based test. Now imagine 45% of the time,, 2 seconds after you start to read each question, you can smacked in the back with a 2 by 4. Do you think that might impact your test score?
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2024, 03:14:34 PMWhy I love Cosell is he is the epitome of intellectual honesty. Had the tape shown that the Giants had dumbed things down for Daniel Jones, he would have been sure to add that qualifier. Since he didn't, it's fair to assume the tape and what he heard wasn't at odds.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2024, 03:16:10 PMChris,Once again, avoiding the issue.
Let us be accurate here. When Cosell says he hears how smart Jones is, he refers to football intelligence, not general intelligence.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2024, 02:29:08 PMChris,
Why do you think Greg Cosell was hearing how smart Daniel Jones is?
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2024, 01:43:50 PMChris, when it comes to tape breakdown (particularly the Giants), I have absolute faith in only two outsiders. This is due to my point earlier about the limitations of outsiders to be fully aware of the facts.
Carl Banks- because he can talk to the coaches, and when he breaks down tape before or does not speak to coaches, he discusses the limitations of his conclusions.
Greg Cosell- The man is extremely careful in qualifying his opinions and clearly stating the limitations of his observations. Speaking of the man back in July 2023 he had this to say about Jones, ""I've heard really good things about how smart he is"
Pat doesn't do tape breakdowns, but I enjoy listening to and watching Bobby and Nick. However, I don't take what either person says in blind faith because I know they don't have all the information they need to draw completely accurate conclusions (they will be right more than they are wrong, but they simply can't be perfect).
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2024, 12:02:03 PMChris,I did but lets stay on topic.
Did you see the post I made a week or two ago where Daboll was very critical of the people claiming Jones was missing WRs etc because the people doing the reviews (in Daboll's opinion) lacked all the information about the play. The reviewer would point to a wide receiver (for example), but be unaware the receiver ran the wrong route and that the QB wouldn't be looking there.
When you listen to outsiders breaking down Giants "film" you have to appreciate they are doing so with maybe 80% of the information they need to be accurate
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2024, 11:29:48 AMChris,
Seeing ghosts because the Giants are guilty of malpractice in terms of getting the living crap beat out of him is different than not being intelligent and capable of processing. I think you and many fans really fail to appreciate just how terrible the blocking was for Jones. Jones had the fastest time to pressure (both Taylor and DeVito enjoyed more time before pressure) due to a massive failure of the line to pick up stunts and blitzes, and he was the one without Thomas that allowed for the LT to completely whiff on his blind side blocks.
Also, in 2022, as the season wore on, Barkley was running less, and Jones was throwing more (something you didn't mention)
Between the factual evidence of what two coaches and GMs did and Wonderlic test, I see little reason to believe the claims of needing to dumb things down
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 01, 2024, 11:15:32 AM@babywhales
Rather than just talking about people's opinions, we do have some factual data in the form of the Wonderlic test score. The Wonderlic measures the following:
Yes, the Wonderlic test measures processing speed. The Wonderlic Personnel Test (WPT), also known as the Wonderlic test, is a psychometric assessment that assesses the test-taker's problem-solving skills and aptitude. The WPT has 50 questions and a time limit of 12 minutes. It assesses verbal, numerical, and spatial skills, and how quickly and well you can think. The WPT has four categories: General Knowledge, Verbal Reasoning, Abstract Reasoning, and Numerical Reasoning
The 2019 Wonderlic scores were leaked for QBs:
Quarterbacks
Ryan Finley: 43
Gardner Minshew: 42
Daniel Jones: 37
Easton Stick: 32
Clayton Thorson: 32
Trace McSorley: 31
Will Grier: 30
Brett Rypien: 28
Jarrett Stidham: 27
Drew Lock: 26
Tyree Jackson: 25
Dwayne Haskins: 25
Sean McGuire: 22
Kyler Murray: 20
Again, it's very hard to believe the claims that Jones needed things "dumb down"
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 30, 2024, 10:04:22 AMWhat the people making the unsubstantiated claims about the Giants having to dumb down the play book for Daniel Jones never explain is this:
The mental aspect of the game is heavily scouted (and readily apparent) by teams. Daniel Jones struggled to understand the NFL game according to some of his harshest critics but Shurmur and Gettleman went ahead and drafted him sixth overall (Lock was not a first-round pick)
Schoen and Daboll also learned that Jones is supposedly limited mentally, yet they signed him to a big-ticket contract (where the Broncos moved on from Lock).
The number of people I need to believe are below average in intelligence and/or judgment is just too much for me.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2024, 08:53:52 AMI listen to a ton of NFL experts (former GMs, coaches, and players) and I have yet to hear a single one of them suggest the Giants offense was simple or simplified