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Quote from: GloryDays on Today at 02:52:09 PMIt comes down to team building philosophy and the ability to assess O line talent.

May be ignoring the line is the wrong word; they certainly have devoted a lot of valuable assets to it, but so far the efforts have had dismal results. Last year they ignored that they made a mistake and Neal is no good.. they ROLLED THE DICE, and they got snake eyes. My question is, are they rolling the dice again?
I brought up Pittsburgh as an example. PFF ranked their O line as the # 12 in the league.
Here is their picks through 4 rounds:

Round 1: No. 20-Troy Fautanu, G, Washington
Round 2: No. 51- Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia
Round 3: No. 84-Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan
Round 3: No. 98 (Compensatory - from PHI)-Payton Wilson, LB, North Carolina State
Round 4: No. 119-Mason McCormick, G, South Dakota State

Are they stupid?!

Of course not, but you can't just pull up one team from one year and look at their draft picks through four rounds and then say because we're not doing what they're doing we're ignoring the line. How many times have they drafted O linemen in the first four rounds over the last six years? How many have we? If we're going to do comparisons we should probably do more than just look at two days of roster management work.

The Giants have done a very poor job at improving their O line over the past decade. Nobody is denying that. I would suggest that the problems run deeper than just continuing to throw as many draft picks at the problem as possible. We have kind of already tried that. Scouting, player development, traiing/medical, and coaching matter too. Maybe we're not looking at the problem holistically enough. I can almost guarantee you the Steelers are much better than us at all those other things I listed.

Quote from: GloryDays on Today at 02:52:09 PMIt comes down to team building philosophy and the ability to assess O line talent.

May be ignoring the line is the wrong word; they certainly have devoted a lot of valuable assets to it, but so far the efforts have had dismal results. Last year they ignored that they made a mistake and Neal is no good.. they ROLLED THE DICE, and they got snake eyes. My question is, are they rolling the dice again?
I brought up Pittsburgh as an example. PFF ranked their O line as the # 12 in the league.
Here is their picks through 4 rounds:

Round 1: No. 20-Troy Fautanu, G, Washington
Round 2: No. 51- Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia
Round 3: No. 84-Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan
Round 3: No. 98 (Compensatory - from PHI)-Payton Wilson, LB, North Carolina State
Round 4: No. 119-Mason McCormick, G, South Dakota State

Are they stupid?!

Probably not. They plan on having another Iron Curtain for the next decade. Picking up Payton Wilson will be an exciting player to watch. They are going to fall in love with him

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 01:12:29 PMThe Giants sure has made a concerted effort to increase the speed of their offensive skill players

Speed kills...

Eagles just got Ainias Smith, and they are going to love him. WR like Wan'Dale, STs ace, but also a RB and a dynamic pk/r that reminds me of Dave Meggett - without the legal issues

  

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on Today at 10:41:02 AMGoodell should mull stepping away, he's systematically ruining the NFL.


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Like him or not, the league has done nothing but explode in popularity under his watch.

It comes down to team building philosophy and the ability to assess O line talent.

May be ignoring the line is the wrong word; they certainly have devoted a lot of valuable assets to it, but so far the efforts have had dismal results. Last year they ignored that they made a mistake and Neal is no good.. they ROLLED THE DICE, and they got snake eyes. My question is, are they rolling the dice again?
I brought up Pittsburgh as an example. PFF ranked their O line as the # 12 in the league.
Here is their picks through 4 rounds:

Round 1: No. 20-Troy Fautanu, G, Washington
Round 2: No. 51- Zach Frazier, C, West Virginia
Round 3: No. 84-Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan
Round 3: No. 98 (Compensatory - from PHI)-Payton Wilson, LB, North Carolina State
Round 4: No. 119-Mason McCormick, G, South Dakota State

Are they stupid?!

Quote from: brownelvis54 on Today at 02:42:19 PMYeah, he either leaves on his own or the Giants will cut him

or potentially they could trade him

Rooting hard for him, Super humble young man. He really deserves this. Let's go Turbo. Giants fan welcoming you.
Dante Miller ran a 4.27 - forty on his pro day and logged 28 reps on the bench press.  Seriously good numbers.  Joe Schoen might have gotten The Giants a steal in this kid.







I could do without the music

Quote from: LennG on Today at 12:44:04 PMI think many people also explained how I feel and the last post by Dave said it best. Yes, Jones had a decent year compared to many of the terrible years.
I'm sorry but fans (and I don't mean you specifically) keep telling us how Jones lacks certain things for a QB to be successful. True, but how many QBs in the league have a perfect system, great OL great WRs, and a good running game.
Anyone can succeed in those conditions. What separates the winners from the losers is that the good ones can overcome obstacles and still succeed. Jones is just not in that category. Everything needs to be perfect for him to have success and that is still not what the Giants offer. He simply cannot overcome certain things that other good QBs can. We have given him plenty of things now, so overall, I hope you are right, but I seriously doubt it. Jones is what Jones is, an average QB who can make certain throws in the right circumstances but when he is asked to do more, he cannot. That is why he succeeded in the years you mentioned. He wasn't asked to do more than he was able to, we got a year of lucky ounces and breaks and we won. His numbers, as far as league wise, were average at best, but compared to his numbers from other years, he was successful. Nabors might get him a few more yards and completions, but that is about all.

I hear all the time what's with the Jones hate. First of all, there is no hate. It's a judgement on his play, that's all. I don't understand the "love." I've been watching him and football for over five decades. I have not seen Jones do what great QBs do, overcome odds and carry the team to victory. It has never happened. Well, okay, in the fourth quarter against a pitiful Arizona team last year. And yes, he had a very good game against a Minnesota team whose defense was abysmal. Beyond that. Nothing. I listed the rankings I felt of the current QBs. Jones was number 21. Maybe Nabers and a better offensive line will bump him up to 15 or 16. That's the ceiling folks. He's never shown anything beyond that. I know why they didn't draft a QB. I know this franchise and how it works. They knew New England was never going to trade out of #3 so posturing with those picks was just that. And when they passed on McCarthy they never were serious about getting a QB. They signed Jones to big money. They want to get something out of that if they can. I get it. But we fans have to wait now until 2025 or beyond for hope. At least that's how I feel.