Big Blue Huddle

Marc Ross, the man who oversaw the Giants' drafts for 11 years (his last draft was just graded in the 3-year draft grade thread), gave his take on the Giants drafting Nabers.


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Carl Banks addressed his comments (Carl has had his disputes with Ross in the past).  Banks pointed out that Ross didn't directly say Daniel Jones was a bad QB.   Banks also pointed out, that if Nabers is as advertised, it will definitely help Daniel Jones (along with the other WRs)

Banks also disputed Ross' claim that the Giants drafted Nabers to try and fix Daniel Jones.  Banks said that Nabers was drafted because the Giants needed a modern offense, and that starts with at least one elite receiver on your roster.   Banks felt Jones was on his own (DJ will sink or swim on his own).   If Jones wants to stay with NYG he is going to have to earn it himself.  He did suggest he expects and improves Jones, but the key is Jones getting comfortable that his O-line is able to protect him.

I will say that Marc Ross tests one of my core tenets.   I have a strong preference for seeking out former NFL people to hear their opinions and views on football.   In general, I feel those views and opinions are more valid and tend to be better than other commentators.

Yet, what do I do with someone like Marc Ross, who I witnessed as terrible at his job for 11 years?  The man even has a degree from Princeton, so he is certainly not stupid.

To date, I simply take the approach that I take with most of the true experts.  Listen to what they have to say (while giving them the benefit of the doubt), but don't take their word as gospel.  They need to support and lay out sound arguments for why they hold the opinions they do (especially, hot takes).

I will say, I don't disagree with his assertion big picture.   If Jones doesn't have it in him to be a franchise QB, Nabers will not change or fix that.   On the other hand, if Jones isn't as bad as some people think, an elite QB can really elevate DJ's game.  Ultimately, time will tell.

Maybe Schoen is more enamored with what DeVito did before getting his head slammed off the turf than most here thought.

Of course they will start Danny Boy (they are paying him a fortune), but there is a good chance he will not be the same player after that injury that he was.  He might go down again.  With a career record of 22-37-1 Jones is no prize.

The new veteran they brought in to back him up- Drew Lock is a journeyman.  There is no indictor that this guy also with a 9-14 record as a starter can pull the wagon

That leaves Tommy and he might have some magic left in his game....time will tell
Tommy is 3-2 as a starter and has proven ability to drop in long passes outside the numbers   Something Jones could never do and likely cannot learn at this point

Are we set at QB....no.   

Quote from: kartanoman on May 01, 2024, 04:25:41 PMNo. I've watched enough Carolina games this year and your boys worked hard during your series with them. Just a lot of pressure goals, as well as lucky bounces off the boards, when it counted made it seem easier than what it was.

Don't underestimate what Patrick Roy did for your team this season. Your boys still have a talent gap, no question about it, but they came to play and fought hard. They made the Canes sweat a few out and they're about to get hit with another level of intensity and talent where lucky bounces and goals 30 seconds apart won't be happening.

Your Isles now have to go and get some talent and they're going to be dangerous as long as the boys buy what Roy is selling them. Develop some leaders who can translate his fire into results on the ice. As a Ranger fan, even I can see  the foreshadowing of the New York rivalry coming back to life again. Roy planted the seeds and now it's time to get more talent and cultivate that team into a winner. When they played "never say die" on Saturday afternoon, it was beautiful to watch. It was too much to ask for yesterday's game but not for lack of trying.

Folks on the Island should be optimistic about the future as well as pushing the "paper champions" around, even if only for a little while; the Rangers and their fans appreciate it sincerely.

Peace!

The Isles have about $6 million in cap space for next season with a few RFAs to extend. There will be no big splashes. We don't get a Panarin to fall into our laps like you guys. We need to develop talent but all the prospect rankings say we are near last in the league.

So it's 89 skeptical to disappointed and 38 cautiously positive to excited. I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it group. Although, to me, the keys are the Oline, how well the Defense starts off, can the Run Game be effective, and how well Jones & Co. can connect with the weapons. It often takes time for a new DC to get his players up to speed. It can be a few games or half the season. It may also take a few games for the interior Oline to work as a cohesive unit.

If Simmons can be used as a Blitzer from the Will Back Position to be adjuvant to Burns and Thibs in Pass Rush, that might offset the inexperience in the Secondary this year. I see him and McFadden sharing time, based on Down and Distance. Dex is going to be double-teamed and I don't see anyone replacing Leo just yet. Right now I'm more concerned about the Defense than the Offense. Minus Adoree, Leo, and McKinney, Adding Burns and Rookies Nubin-Phillips who will need time and Special Teams addition Muasau looks to me to be a 2024 step back but two steps up in 2025.   

If all progresses well, then we are looking at Jones as the 2025 QB, and with additions from the '25 Draft and a projected 46 million in Cap Space, they could make a run for at least the NFC East.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:23:18 AMOdds are that we either are horrible or we do just enough to have ppl clamoring for Jones yr 7. Anything less than 4,000 and 20tds as a threshold and we need to rip the band aid off and move on for everyone's sanity.

He can throw that and the team could still have a poor record. Middle of the pack and we're not in a good position to draft a top QB again.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:18:59 AMThe thing with Lock is that he isn't scared to throw the ball down the field. If Jones comes in with his dink and dunk approach yet again while Lock is throwing deep in camp then there might be traction from everyone for him to get the nod.

The thing is, DJ does exactly what he's told to do. Daboll knew that DJ had almost no time for big plays to run their course, so DJ was told to "dink and dunk", which also cuts down on interceptions, while avoiding the never-ending pass rush due to the poor line

Hopefully, getting some decent vets on the offensives line and a new OL coach will allow time for plays to play out as planned. DJ can make long throws, but he has to have time for the receivers to get down the field. It should be real interesting to see what the OL does this season with the changes made

Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 10:34:33 AMThis past year the Eagles started out very strong and completely imploded, starting 10-1 and then finishing 1-6 including getting shredded in their one and done playoff game.  It will be interesting if that end of the season leaves a hangover.

Carl Banks thinks it will.   Banks feels that late-season victory over a team (who needed a win) that had been bullying you for years was big for NYG's confidence

This past year the Eagles started out very strong and completely imploded, starting 10-1 and then finishing 1-6 including getting shredded in their one and done playoff game.  It will be interesting if that end of the season leaves a hangover.

Perhaps the best way to get up to speed on the undrafted rookies.  Today, they cover the offensive players.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 08:11:33 AMOnly stat that concerns me is the W-L record.

Odds are that we either are horrible or we do just enough to have ppl clamoring for Jones yr 7. Anything less than 4,000 and 20tds as a threshold and we need to rip the band aid off and move on for everyone's sanity.