That Missouri v Ohio St game was hard to watch.
Here hoping my team pulls it out on Penn St here in a second.
Then get ready for Georgia to slaughter FSU.
Anyone else pumped for college football?
Go Terps. Game is today.
Then tomorrow, Go Giants!
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 30, 2023, 12:11:06 PMThat Missouri v Ohio St game was hard to watch.
Here hoping my team pulls it out on Penn St here in a second.
Then get ready for Georgia to slaughter FSU.
Anyone else pumped for college football?
I'm pumped for the playoffs, but these bowl games are such a waste of time now. The transfer portal and draft-bound players sitting out has killed them. I am an ND fan and really got very little out of watching them wreck Oregon St yesterday. Nobody cares about these games anymore or plays in them. They've become the football equivalent of the college basketball NIT. I guess it's an opportunity to see your underclassmen play, so maybe a better comparison is preseason NFL games.
I can't wait for the 12 team playoff format. I used to be very into these bowl games back in the day, but they have become so irrelevant now. The teams are unrecognizable versus what you watched all year, and there are empty seats in the stadiums.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 30, 2023, 12:11:06 PMThat Missouri v Ohio St game was hard to watch.
Here hoping my team pulls it out on Penn St here in a second.
Then get ready for Georgia to slaughter FSU.
Anyone else pumped for college football?
I am but with so many of these guys pulling out the games so far have been snooze inducing. Good article in today's WAPO on how the overlap in timing of the transfer portal and the early signing period, coupled with the guys opting out of games, have contributed to less than compelling bowl seasons the last few years
You wouldn't know these bowls don't matter by how chippy this ole miss vs penn state game is, they are battling.
Ole Miss has weapons all over the field and Penn Sts defense with Abdul Carter. Prospects all over the field for 2025.
Also no way on planet earth is Allar a top Qb prospect next season.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 30, 2023, 01:18:41 PMYou wouldn't know these bowls don't matter by how chippy this ole miss vs penn state game is, they are battling.
So far the best of the bowl games.
Outside the final 4. These bowl games are more meaningless than every NFL's teams first preseason game.
Jess, what are your thoughts on Dart as far as having an NFL future and how his attributes might translate?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 30, 2023, 02:23:43 PMJess, what are your thoughts on Dart as far as having an NFL future and how his attributes might translate?
I think he's only going to get better, coming back next year I think he really starts to get discussed as a prospect. He's night and day better than Allar and most mocks have Allar as the #1 pick next year.
Dart is what they Jets thought they were getting in Wilson if that makes sense.
Ole Miss is returning its entire offense and loafing up on the best prospects in the transfer portal on defense. They should be a top 5 team in 2025.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 30, 2023, 03:05:11 PMOle Miss is returning its entire offense and loafing up on the best prospects in the transfer portal on defense. They should be a top 5 team in 2025.
Interesting... that would be fun to see an elite season from them. They've definitely been much better overall in recent years than a decade or so ago but have not quite reached an elite level. I've always liked them, even before Eli went there, and given he's an alum I'd love to see them vie for a national championship (so long as they're not standing in ND's way).
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 30, 2023, 03:14:41 PMInteresting... that would be fun to see an elite season from them. They've definitely been much better overall in recent years than a decade or so ago but have not quite reached an elite level. I've always liked them, even before Eli went there, and given he's an alum I'd love to see them vie for a national championship (so long as they're not standing in ND's way).
You guys will be intriguing with Leonard next year.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 30, 2023, 03:29:19 PMYou guys will be intriguing with Leonard next year.
He should be interesting. Hartman was disappointing relative to my expectations. This Angeli kid from New Jersey who just played in the game against Oregon State looked better to me than Hartman did this year. He should transfer out with Leonard coming.
Non-playoff bowl games are meaningless with so many players opting out. OSU with McCord transferring and MH and Eichenberg sitting out is not OSU.
Penn St without Olu, Kalen or Dixon is not Penn St.
Same with other schools.
Quote from: Philosophers on December 30, 2023, 04:44:00 PMNon-playoff bowl games are meaningless with so many players opting out. OSU with McCord transferring and MH and Eichenberg sitting out is not OSU.
Penn St without Olu, Kalen or Dixon is not Penn St.
Same with other schools.
Totally agree.
In my opinion, the only appeal left to these games is to watch your own team that you root for to get more of a look at underclassmen. It's kind of similar to the NFL preseason in that sense.
Thankfully it's all being changed. Finally.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 30, 2023, 04:50:43 PMTotally agree.
In my opinion, the only appeal left to these games is to watch your own team that you root for to get more of a look at underclassmen. It's kind of similar to the NFL preseason in that sense.
Thankfully it's all being changed. Finally.
Yes 100%
Penn State has got to have a real QB competition this spring. The more I watch Allar, the more I just don't see it happening. He doesn't process fast enough. Our WRs are trash (and we may be getting more help there soon), but the difference in "juice" between Allar and his backup is tangible. I described Allar today as "Eli Manning without the talent"....ie, he gives the same aw shucks vibes but just hasn't shown game to get past that.
I hated that our defense had 3 key starters out today and a gimpy Carter for much of the game. That would have been one hell of a matchup with that Ole Miss offense. Ah well.
The amount of guys not playing takes a lot out of these games, the non-competitive nature of today's games makes it worse.
It was definitely a lot better as a draft primer some years ago.
I got my ticket to the Rose Bowl for Michigan bs Bama. Very excited for sure.
Big College Football day today.
Can someone explain why they had to start the 2nd game at 845 eastern time? It will end after midnight.
It's New Years day, most people stayed up later than usual last night and have to go back to work tomorrow. Since most are off work today the west coast could have turned in at 4PM.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 01, 2024, 11:33:24 AMCan someone explain why they had to start the 2nd game at 845 eastern time? It will end after midnight.
It's New Years day, most people stayed up later than usual last night and have to go back to work tomorrow. Since most are off work today the west coast could have turned in at 4PM.
Same reason they start the NCAA hoops final at 9:30. MONEY. Or maybe I should say greed.
Quote from: katkavage on January 01, 2024, 11:46:14 AMSame reason they start the NCAA hoops final at 9:30. MONEY. Or maybe I should say greed.
Just not even seeing how it makes them more money in this situation. With a today a Holiday, the ratings should be fine out of primetime
Just had a 4.3 earthquake in Los Angeles. Not sure that is a good sign.
I get that it's all a business, but I have to say it annoys me to no end that we have all this spare time over the holidays, and yet the time slot they're giving us for one of the only two postseason games that actually matter today is 8:45pm EST. We have had all this spare time and all these mornings to sleep in as late as we want, and right before the first work day of the year they're saying anyone on the east coast who wants to watch this game to the end needs to be up until about 1am the night before the first work day of the year.
We've been waiting for weeks for these games, and they're basically making one of them impossible to watch until the end if you live anywhere in this area if you have anything before a 7am wakeup (I'm up at 5:15 on workdays) and want to be fresh and on your game the next day. They couldn't do these two games at 3pm and 7pm? Why would that be a problem for West Coast audiences? The West Coast has no problem watching NFL games at 10am. Why is noon on New Years' Day a problem? They could do one or two of any of these other meaningless, irrelevant bowl games that nobody cares about in the later slots.
Bo should shut himself down for the second half.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 30, 2023, 04:50:43 PMTotally agree.
In my opinion, the only appeal left to these games is to watch your own team that you root for to get more of a look at underclassmen. It's kind of similar to the NFL preseason in that sense.
Thankfully it's all being changed. Finally.
What's being changed? You can't fine unpaid players right?
Outside of the 4 teams playing for the championship the entire Bowl season is a joke. The other day there was a team with a .500 record playing. How desperate do you have to be to tune in?
Quote from: TDToomer on January 01, 2024, 04:14:52 PMWhat's being changed? You can't fine unpaid players right?
I was referring to the number of teams that make the playoffs and the expansion from 4 to 12.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 01, 2024, 04:18:58 PMI was referring to the number of teams that make the playoffs and the expansion from 4 to 12.
Thanks. I wasn't aware but that sounds like a good plan. Now get rid of the rest of the games that are named after a dorito or frito-lay product. A sport with free labor outside of coaching should not need to accept so much outside sponsorship.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 01, 2024, 04:29:23 PMThanks. I wasn't aware but that sounds like a good plan. Now get rid of the rest of the games that are named after a dorito or frito-lay product. A sport with free labor outside of coaching should not need to accept so much outside sponsorship.
I think it will be much better with 12 than 4.
There was a time when these Bowl Games were a huge deal, but they're not anymore. Nobody who is draft bound or in the transfer portal (which is a huge chunk of these teams) participates, and you have empty seats in the stadiums.
Turning the playoffs into 12 teams instead of 4 will go a long way to making December/Jan much more interesting for college football. And the regular season will still matter a great deal because the top 4 seeds will get byes, which is a huge incentive.
God what a terrible INT by McCarthy. Hate seeing that on literally the first snap of the game if you're Michigan.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 01, 2024, 05:14:29 PMGod what a terrible INT by McCarthy. Hate seeing that on literally the first snap of the game if you're Michigan.
Haha... wow bailed out big time. Still a brutal throw.
He made some great throws. Got battered on the trick play but threw it right to the WR
Michigan looks stronger in the trenches thus far.
2 turnovers and leading by 3 and winning the trenches.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 01, 2024, 04:52:46 PMI think it will be much better with 12 than 4.
There was a time when these Bowl Games were a huge deal, but they're not anymore. Nobody who is draft bound or in the transfer portal (which is a huge chunk of these teams) participates, and you have empty seats in the stadiums.
Turning the playoffs into 12 teams instead of 4 will go a long way to making December/Jan much more interesting for college football. And the regular season will still matter a great deal because the top 4 seeds will get byes, which is a huge incentive.
Empty seats could be because of the ticket price. Again it's pure greed to charge NFL prices when none of the revenue goes to the players and everyone else gets rich. College football is kind of like a Ponzi Scheme.
The Alabama game plan keeping the QB in the pocket is ridiculous.
Samaj Morgan is showing freshman jitters. Lost fumble. Let's a punt roll. Then a big third down drop.
Time to sit him.
What do you guys think of McCarthy so far?
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 01, 2024, 08:16:28 PMWhat do you guys think of McCarthy so far?
I have mixed take on him. He did come back on a drive to tie the game. He's been erratic. Harbaugh doesn't lean on him. I think he may need another year. I haven't seen enough of him to be definitive.
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 01, 2024, 08:24:22 PMI have mixed take on him. He did come back on a drive to tie the game. He's been erratic. Harbaugh doesn't lean on him. I think he may need another year. I haven't seen enough of him to be definitive.
I think that's the story of his season. Certainly not his fault that Michigan has been able to just run over everyone, but it certainly hasnt allowed him to showcase himself.
This game they have had to rely more on the pass, but still have been run 1st.
Well, at least he can make the short throws! :laugh:
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 01, 2024, 12:18:05 PMI get that it's all a business, but I have to say it annoys me to no end that we have all this spare time over the holidays, and yet the time slot they're giving us for one of the only two postseason games that actually matter today is 8:45pm EST. We have had all this spare time and all these mornings to sleep in as late as we want, and right before the first work day of the year they're saying anyone on the east coast who wants to watch this game to the end needs to be up until about 1am the night before the first work day of the year.
We've been waiting for weeks for these games, and they're basically making one of them impossible to watch until the end if you live anywhere in this area if you have anything before a 7am wakeup (I'm up at 5:15 on workdays) and want to be fresh and on your game the next day. They couldn't do these two games at 3pm and 7pm? Why would that be a problem for West Coast audiences? The West Coast has no problem watching NFL games at 10am. Why is noon on New Years' Day a problem? They could do one or two of any of these other meaningless, irrelevant bowl games that nobody cares about in the later slots.
Now a 9:10 start. This game will not finish until around 1 AM. Absurd.
If Penix didn't have that injury history he would be in the high first round discussion. He still might go in the first as will Nix.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 01, 2024, 08:55:55 PMNow a 9:10 start. This game will not finish until around 1 AM. Absurd.
So stupid. All this free time over the holidays and now one of the only two games that matter is basically unwatchable in this part of the country unless you want to stay up until the wee hours of the morning right before the first business day of the year.
Makes plenty of sense.
Quote from: katkavage on January 01, 2024, 09:13:31 PMIf Penix didn't have that injury history he would be in the high first round discussion. He still might go in the first as will Nix.
Totally agree. Very accurate, great pocket presence.
Quote from: katkavage on January 01, 2024, 09:13:31 PMIf Penix didn't have that injury history he would be in the high first round discussion. He still might go in the first as will Nix.
He's also going to be 24 in May. May not matter THAT much to some but I know some teams do care about that.
On another note, Ja'Tavion Sanders looks like a potential weapon as a tight end. I'm wondering if he'd be a potential round 2 target if the Giants decide to move on from Waller.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on January 01, 2024, 11:54:49 PMHe's also going to be 24 in May. May not matter THAT much to some but I know some teams do care about that.
Penix has been good for a while though. I care about the age thing more when you have a 23/24 year old QB who was in college for a while and was only good in his final year. We saw that with Pickett for example.
To be fair, the same could be said of Burrow, so it's clearly not a hard and fast rule.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 02, 2024, 11:26:13 AMPenix has been good for a while though. I care about the age thing more when you have a 23/24 year old QB who was in college for a while and was only good in his final year. We saw that with Pickett for example.
To be fair, the same could be said of Burrow, so it's clearly not a hard and fast rule.
Yeah, I definitely don't see it as a big deal. He'll only be about 8 months older than Burrow was when he was drafted. The ACL issues he's had are probably a bigger red flag.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on January 02, 2024, 12:13:38 PMYeah, I definitely don't see it as a big deal. He'll only be about 8 months older than Burrow was when he was drafted. The ACL issues he's had are probably a bigger red flag.
Agreed. Especially considering our track record on helping our players avoid injury.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 02, 2024, 12:57:44 PMAgreed. Especially considering our track record on helping our players avoid injury.
I agree, however, if the Giants couldn't get their top QB at 5 or 4, then I would trade the pick, get another first rounder this year (preferably in the top 15) and next year and other picks this year, maybe use the later first round pick on Penix and the extra picks this year to fortify the line and defense. If Penix doesn't work out they will have an extra first round pick to play with next year.
Quote from: katkavage on January 02, 2024, 01:12:42 PMI agree, however, if the Giants couldn't get their top QB at 5 or 4, then I would trade the pick, get another first rounder this year (preferably in the top 15) and next year and other picks this year, maybe use the later first round pick on Penix and the extra picks this year to fortify the line and defense. If Penix doesn't work out they will have an extra first round pick to play with next year.
Right, although it's kind of tough to know if a QB "worked out" after just one season. Using that approach, the Bills would have moved on from Josh Allen after his rookie year.
This is great. First off the Dad looks just like Jim Harbaugh. Secondly you can see from both parents where his energy and intensity and confidence all come from:
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1742236656105562231