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Apparently he is tough on his players. But as stated in the last paragraph, He is results oriented, which is exactly what the Giants need!
I heard the Podcast this story is based on. In terms of who trained him and the results, he seems like a solid hire. On the other hand, good O-line coaches are like gold, so I have to wonder why Pierce and the Raiders let him walk.
I agree, the hire seems solid and I am all for it. I'm guessing the Raiders let him go only because they were in a state of flux, not yet naming AP as the full time HC and I guess maybe due to that Las Vegas couldn't block him from taking interviews?
Quote from: ozzie on January 23, 2024, 08:28:16 AMI agree, the hire seems solid and I am all for it. I'm guessing the Raiders let him go only because they were in a state of flux, not yet naming AP as the full time HC and I guess maybe due to that Las Vegas couldn't block him from taking interviews?
Probably a good guess. AP may have someone he's closer to that he wants in that role. These new coaches generally like to put in people they're comfortable with. It may prove to have been a mistake on his part.
It's also possible that Bricillo was only there because of his relationship with McDaniels and he himself prefers working with head coaches he knows. So with McDaniels out of a job, Daboll now makes sense to him.
I would further add that sometimes it can be wise to take a job where the bar is very low. In some situations, if you just deliver mediocre results, you'll look like a genius and a hero. Obviously that honeymoon period won't last forever, as once results are mediocre, people will then want better results than that, but to not have the pressure of delivering excellence from day one or having to fill legendary shoes (see the Alabama head coaching job) can make a transition much easier. Especially if the Giants have told him they're committed to adding better talent to the unit.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 23, 2024, 08:47:20 AMI would further add that sometimes it can be wise to take a job where the bar is very low. In some situations, if you just deliver mediocre results, you'll look like a genius and a hero. Obviously that honeymoon period won't last forever, as once results are mediocre, people will then want better results than that, but to not have the pressure of delivering excellence from day one or having to fill legendary shoes (see the Alabama head coaching job) can make a transition much easier. Especially if the Giants have told him they're committed to adding better talent to the unit.
The bar is very low fits our OL to a T. If he can resuscitate Neal only never mind the rest he'll be worth his weight in gold.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 08:26:04 AMgood O-line coaches are like gold, so I have to wonder why Pierce and the Raiders let him walk.
Rich: In most cases it would be tough to explain... but in this case...
Look at it from another angle... why was Bricillo "exiled" to the "vast wasteland" known as the Raiders?
Tough as nails, from right outside Pittsburgh, doesn't take crap, wants his OL to treat the d-line like he treats them, you love him or hate him and it doesn't matter which to him. "Do-exactly what-I-tell-you-or-you-sit." No excuses accepted. Great coach.
And this is where the remark the other day about Schmitz eventually being a captain comes into play...
Schmitz played in college for the same type of coach, so he should be able to "translate" Bricillo for the rest of the OL (especially those who never encountered the type of "maelstrom" Bricillo brings to work with him each day). Can't say more but it's boom or bust, and having a guy like Schmitz to explain Bricillo's style to his teammates will aid in making the hire more likely to work for the Giants. I'm very optimistic.
Bob
Red flag because he points finger and holds his lineman accountable? Sign me up. I like he even more now.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 23, 2024, 09:28:57 AMRed flag because he points finger and holds his lineman accountable? Sign me up. I like he even more now.
The players don't love him, doesn't exactly equate to the traits you suggested
A different organization, different head coach, and different players....let's just wait and see.
Ranaan's take on this was all 'sources' with unattributed quotes and a catch all 'clear out ex Patriots' spin.
To balance it watch Patti Traina's video with people who cover the Raiders day in day out and the quotes they give from actual Raiders players who played for Bricillo. It gives a totally different view.
Which approach do you give more credence to, the unattributed quotes from unnamed individuals or the on the record alternative?
Beware beat writers looking to gain clicks by throwing low grade gasoline on the Daboll dumpster fire IMO.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 09:42:14 AMThe players don't love him, doesn't exactly equate to the traits you suggested
I played OL throughout high school and college. Can't say I ever had an Oline coach I loved
Quote from: londonblue on January 23, 2024, 01:11:49 PMRanaan's take on this was all 'sources' with unattributed quotes and a catch all 'clear out ex Patriots' spin.
To balance it watch Patti Traina's video with people who cover the Raiders day in day out and the quotes they give from actual Raiders players who played for Bricillo. It gives a totally different view.
Which approach do you give more credence to, the unattributed quotes from unnamed individuals or the on the record alternative?
Beware beat writers looking to gain clicks by throwing low grade gasoline on the Daboll dumpster fire IMO.
Neil,
I listened/read both. I don't think they are incompatible. Our new coach has been objectively successful, and some players like him. That doesn't preclude the possibility that he rubs other players the wrong way.
As I mentioned earlier, my biggest concern is the Raiders let him go. Look at how Atlanta is guarding their quality offensive line coach even though they haven't hired a new head coach.
That all said, I am still hopeful about our new hire.
I didn't say they were automatically incompatible Mighty just that faced with a choice of information from Raiders experts with actual player quotes from players who start for them or unidentified and unattributed sources then IMO the latter should be treated with extreme caution as a very low quality information source unless and until it can be corroborated with actual, on the record, first hand information. Until then it is just gossip, likely from people with an axe to grind.
In the internet age approaching what we read with critical thinking and close attention to the quality of the information sources is vital. I listened to both podcasts. One was informative. The other speculative.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 09:42:14 AMThe players don't love him, doesn't exactly equate to the traits you suggested
No attributed players quoted? Sounds like click-bait to me.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 09:42:14 AMThe players don't love him, doesn't exactly equate to the traits you suggested
Who says the players don't love him? I don't care if they do. I want players who would run through a brick wall for their coach.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2024, 01:21:04 PMNeil,
I listened/read both. I don't think they are incompatible. Our new coach has been objectively successful, and some players like him. That doesn't preclude the possibility that he rubs other players the wrong way.
As I mentioned earlier, my biggest concern is the Raiders let him go. Look at how Atlanta is guarding their quality offensive line coach even though they haven't hired a new head coach.
That all said, I am still hopeful about our new hire.
I thought Atlanta changed and allowed the OL coach to be interviewed but Bricillo had already been hired. My question is which of the 2 is more highly regarded. Second question is has anything been written about which of the 2 would have been the choice if both were available
Quote from: nb587 on January 23, 2024, 02:42:47 PMI thought Atlanta changed and allowed the OL coach to be interviewed but Bricillo had already been hired. My question is which of the 2 is more highly regarded. Second question is has anything been written about which of the 2 would have been the choice if both were available
I saw speculation that the Falcons would now allow teams to interview Dwayne Ledford, but my Google research couldn't find any reports of him interviewing with another NFL team.
To answer your second question, I think Dwayne Ledford is the coach with the better reputation.
Gotta say Dave that post does not inspire me
Lets see what he brings to the party :ok: