MHJ skipped all the Combine work (the onfield work and the press interview) and how his Pro Day. Does that give anyone pause if he is available to the Giants at 6?
https://x.com/DraftDiamonds/status/1770493711740199173?s=20
IMO he will still be the first WR taken and likely will go 1, 2, 3, or 4.
Quote from: President Rick on March 20, 2024, 12:58:45 PMIMO he will still be the first WR taken and likely will go 1, 2, 3, or 4.
I have heard some pretty knowledgeable draft people say that MHJ being the first WR off the board isn't a sure thing. Some teams reportedly have the WRs in different orders that don't have MJH at the top.
is it a height thing? I can see that for some teams/coaches. but IMO he's the least likely bust in this draft.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2024, 01:00:32 PMI have heard some pretty knowledgeable draft people say that MHJ being the first WR off the board isn't a sure thing. Some teams reportedly have the WRs in different orders that don't have MJH at the top.
Rich,
I wonder if their concerns are related to his ceiling. Meaning, is he pretty much a finished product? My only reason for wondering that is that he has had one of the best to ever play teaching him his entire life. And Marvin Harrison, wasn't necessarily the best physical talent (and he had plenty of that), but he ran perfect routes and was about as polished a WR as one can be.
So are scouts and FO people thinking there is more room for Growth for Odunze or Nabers?
Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 20, 2024, 01:09:33 PMRich,
I wonder if their concerns are related to his ceiling. Meaning, is he pretty much a finished product? My only reason for wondering that is that he has had one of the best to ever play teaching him his entire life. And Marvin Harrison, wasn't necessarily the best physical talent (and he had plenty of that), but he ran perfect routes and was about as polished a WR as one can be.
So are scouts and FO people thinking there is more room for Growth for Odunze or Nabers?
I have never heard an explanation other than the top 3 would all normally be considered WR 1 in most drafts. Since they are all very talented the explanation seems to be that the order is more a matter of preference or what a team values in a WR.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2024, 01:12:25 PMI have never heard an explanation other than the top 3 would all normally be considered WR 1 in most drafts. Since they are all very talented the explanation seems to be that the order is more a matter of preference or what a team values in a WR.
Looking NFL.com Lance Zeirlein has them all rated pretty close with Odunze being #3. When it's close like that, you are bound to have some that rank them differently.
I read that and I think Evan Neal. All Everything in college at top football program but who got exposed in NFL for his failing which may have come out in workouts.
given the almost sure taking of 3 qb's in the top five, one of those top 3 WR's would be there at pick six [unless we trade back]
Quote from: President Rick on March 20, 2024, 01:28:37 PMgiven the almost sure taking of 3 qb's in the top five, one of those top 3 WR's would be there at pick six [unless we trade back]
Rick,
From everything I am hearing, there could be 4 QBs going top 5 so either one or two of the big three WRs should be available to the Giants
If this is true then MHJ doesn't have anything to worry about. But I've also heard that some teams may view Nabers as WR1 due to his explosiveness.
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1770426714067283997?t=j5o7vNlKboujRZU6Z04D8g&s=19
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on March 20, 2024, 01:33:52 PMIf this is true then MHJ doesn't have anything to worry about. But I've also heard that some teams may view Nabers as WR1 due to his explosiveness.
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1770426714067283997?t=j5o7vNlKboujRZU6Z04D8g&s=19
It's funny, I often hear about top prospects working out at their Pro Days just to bring the top brass and scouts from NFL teams to the Pro Day. The idea is that the superstar does this to help out his less talented teammates as they get to do their workout in front of more important people.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2024, 01:37:40 PMIt's funny, I often hear about top prospects working out at their Pro Days just to bring the top brass and scouts from NFL teams to the Pro Day. The idea is that the superstar does this to help out his less talented teammates as they get to do their workout in front of more important people.
Yeah I think that's the case for smaller schools. I'd assume it's not a problem at OSU's Pro Day to get the top NFL folks out there.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 20, 2024, 01:40:32 PMYeah I think that's the case for smaller schools. I'd assume it's not a problem at OSU's Pro Day to get the top NFL folks out there.
According to Breer
" Will be relatively quiet in Columbus, with so many high-end draft prospects choosing to stay in school, no GMs or HCs scheduled to be there."
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2024, 01:41:50 PMAccording to Breer
" Will be relatively quiet in Columbus, with so many high-end draft prospects choosing to stay in school, no GMs or HCs scheduled to be there."
Interesting and thanks for info- didn't realize OSU didn't have it's usual slate of prospects this year. Very unusual!
I don't buy a single word about the NFL scouts telling him they didn't need to see him do anything on the field at his pro day. With the amount of money involved and the ramifications for drafting a bust in the top five no team is going to tell a player that they don't want any additional data points to consider.
Quote from: madbadger on March 20, 2024, 02:27:24 PMI don't buy a single word about the NFL scouts telling him they didn't need to see him do anything on the field at his pro day. With the amount of money involved and the ramifications for drafting a bust in the top five no team is going to tell a player that they don't want any additional data points to consider.
HOF GM Bill Polian talked about how agents VS NFL teams view top talent. The NFL would prefer to learn as much as possible about prospects, while agents would like to keep teams in the dark about their top clients to the fullest extent possible.
Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 20, 2024, 02:06:06 PMInteresting and thanks for info- didn't realize OSU didn't have it's usual slate of prospects this year. Very unusual!
I think I heard Tony Pauline say recently that a number of OSU prospects chose to return for another year. NIL a factor no doubt
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2024, 01:41:50 PMAccording to Breer
" Will be relatively quiet in Columbus, with so many high-end draft prospects choosing to stay in school, no GMs or HCs scheduled to be there."
Think that's bull.
What about TE Cade Stover, DT Michael Hall, LB Tommy Eichenberg and others?
Maybe he and his agent and/or other advisers have decided there is zero upside to doing it. If you are basically certain the top three picks are going to be QBs, and the Cards have told you they're taking you if you're there, why bother? There's an outside chance you could get hurt, and if you know for sure the Cards will take you it's just not necessary. Plus I read in the Athletic that he's willing to do private workouts with teams if they want.
There are three years (2 where he was was a key player) of tape on Harrison Jr dominating at an elite program against top competition. People know what he is capable of at this point. I don't see his stock dropping because of this.
If Harrison has been told by Arizona or SD at 4 or 5 - there's really no need to do anything.
I think Arizona has told them he won't get past them at 4.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 20, 2024, 08:32:32 PMMaybe he and his agent and/or other advisers have decided there is zero upside to doing it. If you are basically certain the top three picks are going to be QBs, and the Cards have told you they're taking you if you're there, why bother? There's an outside chance you could get hurt, and if you know for sure the Cards will take you it's just not necessary. Plus I read in the Athletic that he's willing to do private workouts with teams if they want.
There are three years (2 where he was was a key player) of tape on Harrison Jr dominating at an elite program against top competition. People know what he is capable of at this point. I don't see his stock dropping because of this.
I completely agree with this take. I never understand why top prospects from big programs bother with the combine or draft. Their film should be enough. Middle of road prospects? Guys from smaller programs who may not have faced the top level of competition? That is who needs to show what they can at the pro days and combine.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 20, 2024, 02:29:05 PMHOF GM Bill Polian talked about how agents VS NFL teams view top talent. The NFL would prefer to learn as much as possible about prospects, while agents would like to keep teams in the dark about their top clients to the fullest extent possible.
While he didn't do the drills at the Combine, did he still do the medical stuff?
Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 21, 2024, 02:19:26 PMWhile he didn't do the drills at the Combine, did he still do the medical stuff?
It appears that MHJ did participate in the medical