Big Blue Huddle

I like it.  I think the TE position is increasingly one where you can throw bodies in there, let them compete, and have your bases covered.  No need for a big-money or high-draft capital investment at the TE position, IMO.

Quote from: zephirus on March 13, 2024, 11:06:08 AMPacheco - 14.6 carries per game
CMC - 17 carries per game
Mixon - 15.1 carries per game
Pollard - 14.8 carries per game
Swift - 14.3 carries per game
Ettiene - 15.7 carries per game

Devin Singletary - 12.7 carries per game (only 10 starts)

Fair point but I think "lead back" or "workhorse" implies way more than 15 carries a game.  Simple reality is that in today's NFL, unlike 20 years ago, your featured back is gonna average between 12-15 carries per game.

The game has certainly changed and the "workhorse" label is likely toast forever.  Averaging 20+ carries a game would be shocking in today's NFL.

But go back and look at the average carries/game of the 2nd highest RB on all those teams/examples.  I think you'll find it hard to make the argument any of them run a "committee" approach- at least as I think most people use the term (ie, splitting carries fairly evenly to keep the other guy(s) fresh). 

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2024, 09:47:04 AMThat was one of the advantages of moving on from Barkley.  The work horse RB is an antiquated concept in today's NFL.  A pair of RBs provides the same production while providing protection from the inevitable injury issues.

I agree with the concept and I'm glad we're moving this way....but I do think the "RB by committee" idea is more myth than reality across the NFL.  I looked at this a bit last year and was surprised to find that the vast majority of successful teams have a clear lead back that dominates the touches (Pacheco, McCaffrey, Mixon, Pollard, Swift, Cook, Etienne, etc.).  And other teams likely would have done the same if not for injury (JK Dobbins comes to mind).  I think if you were to dig into the stats you'd find the same.

Quote from: killarich on March 13, 2024, 09:10:36 AMBecause the elite teams don't have major holes , they can top off their teams with high level running backs

Not trying to be a di** but I see your name is "PSU" are you mainly a Giants fan or Barkley fan ?

Huge Giants fan, Huge Penn State fan (graduated from there), Huge Barkley fan. 

And you're right about the elite teams being able to add top level RBs because of a lack of holes in other spots- another good and sensible counterpoint to JClayton above- and backed by recent history.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2024, 10:39:15 PMThe Ravens leading rusher was Gus Edwards and he was undrafted.

The Lions leading rusher was David Montgomery, and he was the 73rd pick

KCs Rb 7th round Pick

Eagles Swift was a 2nd rd pick

Bill James Cook 63rd pick

Cowboys Pollard 128th overall pick

Texans Devin Singletary 74th pick

Packers Aaron Jones 5th rd pick

Dolphins Raheem Mostert undrafted

Rams Karen Williams 5th rd pick

Bucs Rachaad White 3rd rd pick

So what were you saying again? 1 elite team last year, the 49ers had an elite Rb and they didn't even pay most of his salary Carolina did.

What was I saying?  It's pretty straightforward- you said look at the elite teams.  So I did.  And I saw 3 out of the 4 elite teams investing a lot of capital in the RB position- with 2 1st rounders (Gibbs, McCaffrey) and a newly acquired top RB originally drafted in the 2nd round (Henry).  And the other team could probably have you or me at RB and still get to the Super Bowl because they have Pat Mahomes. 

I actually completely agree with the sentiment that not a lot of capital should be spent at the RB position- I just found it interesting that you said to look at the elite teams for proof of this thinking and the opposite actually exists.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2024, 04:48:28 PMJust look at the elite teams, they aren't doing anything special in finding backs, they just have an Oline and Quarterback to pair with their 5th rd Rb that sets them up for success.  With the right line and Qb most Rbs will produce. So why not pay the oline and Qb and rotate cheap backs

3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

Guys, let's try and dry these tears up so he has less to drink next year.   

Van Ginkel was awesome last season- he earned that money.  Good for him for getting it.

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 03:24:23 PMYep a scumbag

You fake a** New Yorker..... Hope the Eagles continue to collapse like we saw at the end of the season even with the addition of you and Huff. Hope you age quickly now and fall into the RB short shelf life narrative and in the process tie money up on the Eagles cap space

DEAD to me

I'm sorry, but this is actually hilarious.  Someone dug up a tweet from 2014....when he was still in high school (and apparently Mark Sanchez was still a thing lol)....and is using that to call him some sort of traitor because he got an offer way higher than the Giants ever would?  What a scumbag.          

There is no way in hell he received a better or even comparable offer from Schoen than this deal.  If he had- he'd be a Giant, which was always his preferred option.  At first glance, this offer is even better than the money he was asking for from the Giants ALREADY (reportedly)- which they never agreed on and led to the tag. 

Glad for him.  HATE it has to be the Eagles.  Behind a real OL and with a threat at QB....watch out. 

And look at all that money.  I guess he was a lot more valuable than 99% of this board thought.  I'm not all that surprised. 

I guess we're just going to make threads about every washed up QB that could either be traded for or picked up off the dump heap. 

No.  We don't need any of them.  It's either going to be DJ or a QB that gets drafted. 

Get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand, for the times they are a-changin'.

I wish he would just go away, quickly, slowly, or otherwise.

Quote from: Trench on February 27, 2024, 11:43:51 PMPost of the off-season right here!!!

This sparked my interest a bit so I went to do a little comparison.  I looked up the WR position to compare- # of receptions of the top 12 guys and how many of those were first rounders.  Interestingly enough, there were only 3 of the 12:

Ceedee Lamb
DJ Moore
Jamaar Chase

The other 9:
Tyreek Hill  (5th round)
Amon-Ra St Brown   (4th round)
Michael Pittman (2nd round)
Keenan Allen (3rd round)
Stefon Diggs (5th round)
AJ Brown (2nd round)
Puka Nacua (5th round)
Davante Adams (2nd round)
Adam Thielen (undrafted)

All of these guys except DJ Moore caught more than 100 passes last year (!).  So now I wonder....is it really that rare to have a low percentage of elite players come out of the 1st round?  With this info/set of stats- Would we now argue against getting a WR at #6?  Or paying an elite WR- since we can obviously find a great one pretty easily outside of the 1st round?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm...