Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:12:21 AMTim,

I can't disagree with your sentiment.   I will say, though, if you don't like being second-guessed, being an NFL GM (or head coach) is the wrong career choice.  Being an armchair GM/HC/QB is part of the fun of being a fan.

As a fan, and in general, I try not to engage in it. It's self-defeatist, in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure all GMs and coaches know being second-guessed by fans and the media are a part of the job. They expect it and it probably doesn't phase them.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:10:20 AMI don't think that will be the case. I assume you put me in the "pro-Jones" camp.  I believe even with disparate support, we can get a sense of how good another QB is.

            

1) No

2) No

3) No

Playing the hindsight game is pointless, IMO. Decisions are made with as much information that is available at that time. He made what he thought were the best choices for this team given the many circumstances. He, and we as fans, will live with those decisions. Anybody can sit back and second-guess and we all can sit behind our keyboards with zero pressure and say what we would do. But put us in the spotlight and on the hot seat and things look a lot different.

What's done is done. We press forward and move on.

If one of the three QBs that Schoen (and Mara) passed on has an outstanding season, here's what's going to happen here at the BBH:

- There will be a litany of "I told you so" threads from folks who wanted to move on from Jones
- There will be a ton of pushback from Jones supporters saying, "It's only one season. Daniel had a great 2022 and won a playoff game."
- There will be the same regurgitated arguments for and against Jones. The horse will be resuscitated to only be beaten to death again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I prefer to evaluate them week to week, after they play the games. Every week brings new challenges and there's absolutely no way of knowing in May how this team will look against competition in September. Like Painter, I don't care for all the prognostications and rankings and B&M when a game has yet to be played.

I'm looking forward to the season, as I am every season. I'm hopeful and optimistic about the team overall. I also have no delusions of grandeur and will wait to see how things shape up to start the season.

Why the rush? Games don't start until September.

There is a human element in this game called football. If Schoen is good with letting Waller figure out his future, I'm fine. It ain't costing me anything to let him figure out what he wants to do.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 30, 2024, 07:23:39 AMOnce Maye was off the table, I think Alt was the guy. Although I don't think they ever had serious intentions of trading the farm for Maye.

That would have ruined the draft for me. As much as I want to have the offensive line fixed, I think we have enough pieces already to see a significant improvement. It would have been putting all the eggs in the same basket.

I got one foot in the "Cautiously Optimistic" lane and the other in the "I'll Believe It When I See It" lane.

For me, it all hinges on Bricillo and what he can do with his guys up front. My second area of concern/interest is the running game. I don't picture a drastic fall off in production collectively from previous seasons. I actually think as a group, the production will be significantly better.

Quote from: LennG on April 29, 2024, 12:16:05 PMI was going to start another thread on a thought I had, but let's run it hear.

Many people have said and it is true, that Eli started out very poorly also. Thinking, about what really helped Eli become a much better QB, Plax and his ability to catch all the misguided passes that Eli threw to him. I'm sure there were many, but mostly I remember Plax using all his 6'whatever frame and arms to haul in many passes that were overthrown, underthrown, etc. Could Nabers be the Palx for Jones?
Most know and I won't deny it, I would like anyone other than Jones to be our QB, but he is our QB and I would never root for him to fail. If Nabers can do for Jones what Palx did for Eli, maybe there is hope out there.

Very good perspective, Len. I know you wouldn't root for him to fail.

But call me and tell me your REAL thoughts! 

I also want to see Jones healthy first, and then playing lights out. Quite honestly, I'm hopeful that he plays well but not very optimistic. Like you, I will be rooting for him to prove me wrong.

Quote from: katkavage on April 29, 2024, 11:02:17 AMSchoen is on the line with the QB as well. They are tied together (even though he never drafted him). If it goes bad for Jones, it reflects poorly on Schoen. While if it goes very good for him, Schoen shines.

I partially agree, mostly because he did ultimately give him the contract. However, I think Mara was behind it. I think Schoen would have been OK letting Jones test the market and come back with a "match it" opportunity. Because Mara wanted to keep Jones, the compromise was the 2-year out.

I don't think there is one fan who believes Schoen is all-in on Jones. I don't think the stink will be on Schoen if Jones doesn't live up to the expectations, whatever they may be. If nothing else, the cries for a new QB will be even louder.

Quote from: kingm56 on April 29, 2024, 10:49:01 AMWhy do said tweets need to be an explicit message from the team?  IMO, they represent nothing more than common sense based on facts. 

It's well known the Giants attempted to trade up for Drake; it's also well known DJs contract has an escape clause after this season. It should also be known DJ hasn't been very good and/or healthy. Thus, do we/Dj need a message from the team that states the obvious?

Actions > words

Quote from: Gman329 on April 29, 2024, 08:30:28 AMJust feels like they threw a lot of mediocrity at the problem.  And the spotlight on Neal's struggles somewhat obscured the fact that Schmitz had a subpar, disappointing rookie year.  Are we so sure he'll turn the corner?

I think we're more hopeful than sure. At this point, it's all we have to look forward to. If we don't have hope, what's the point?

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 29, 2024, 08:19:21 AMI think the Giants have a RB committee that is better than what Saquon brought to the table last season.

You have every down back Singletary

You have short yardage back Gray

You have third down/change of pace back Tracy


That's a pretty good trio.


Add in a hopefully better O-line and WRs whose speed is going to push defenders off the LOS and I think we will see better production in the run game than last year.

100% all of this.

If they could have made a deal with the Pats, you bet your sweet bippy they would have taken Maye. No way they're making a deal to pick a receiver.

But I will also say this to folks who were against "losing on purpose" in order to preserve a top-3 position for the draft. You can't complain about not getting a QB this year when you wanted to get wins late in the season. Can't have both.

Quote from: kingm56 on April 26, 2024, 02:25:59 PMHas Slugs/Paul been around?  I hope Dan is well...he's a class act.

Not since the end of March.

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2024, 01:49:21 PMking: Thanks for reminding me. Haven't heard from him recently. @LennG or @T200 or anyone else... have you? Bob

I have not. He hasn't been on since early March.