Big Blue Huddle

I hate those DPI calls. Contact is created by the WR having to come back toward the CB as much as anything. As long as the CB gets his head around, shouldn't be PI.

Was that play designed to get 5 yards on 3rd and 11?

Can anybody on this team get open?

Two runs to start the game. Love it

My expectations for the offense were never that high, but I've been disappointed in the defense. They've looked completely lost at times, tackling has been terrible and they still don't generate a pass rush pretty much at all. KT has been a big disappointment so far given how good he looked at times last year.

On the offense, they weren't that great last year and I was never sure they'd be that much better this year. I never listen to what's going on in Training Camp. Until you see it in a real game, it doesn't matter. We knew the O-line needed a big jump from Neal (he seems to have regressed) and the WR corps was always more quantity than quality. It's a bunch of NFL caliber guys, but no standout option and Waller was still a 31 year old TE who hadn't played a full year since 2020. In fairness, we've also played two of the best defenses in the league so far, which has probably made them look worse than they really are.

I'd love to see some sort of statistic comparing guys with character issues to guys who actually became problems later on. I know this would be nearly impossible but it would be interesting to see. But how many teams passed on Randy Moss because of his character issues? The Cowboys literally drafted Dez Bryant because they didn't want to repeat that mistake. Imagine if we had drafted Laremy Tunsil in 2016 instead of Eli Apple? Or Micah Parsons last year?

The Giants are pretty much the safest organization in the league and it probably holds them back a bit.

Quote from: RelaxTension on September 26, 2023, 07:48:52 AMI just don't understand how especially after these past few years they haven't figured out the need for a functioning Oline because everything else won't matter. I'm not sure if Allen was able to overcome a bad oline and they thought they could get a way with it with Jones.
They decide to pay Jones a big contract where I again would expect them to want to protect that investment yet here we are will terrible oline play and a few more average WRs trying to make plays while under instant duress. .

They've spent three top 90 picks on the O-line in the last 2 years. They got Glowinski and Bredeson last year. If they could literally just pick any player they want to be on their team, I'm sure they'd grab a couple of All-Pro guards but it doesn't work that way.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 25, 2023, 05:24:51 PMI would suggest the failure of Schoen's first draft class had more of an impact than the unexpected victories

Sure. Having two top 10 picks and neither of them looking good is obviously not great, but I think this offseason goes a lot differently if the team wins 4-5 games as opposed to 9.

Quote from: RelaxTension on September 25, 2023, 03:33:33 PMSo the plan for the weak reciver group was to keep two of the starters and sign a slot player.
The Slayton money should've gone to a vet guard and Campbell has currently played like a bad signing and will probably be nothing more then injury insurance for most of the season.
Not sure what they could've done to free up some cap to sign a vet RT and after watching EZ playing the LT spot they should've at least been tried him at RT during the off season.

My point is that solving all these issues was never going to happen in two years. They opted to spend on the receiving corps rather than the O-line, which you can argue is a mistake. But also, the plan for the receiving corps was for Waller to be the top guy and everyone else to be somewhat supplemental.

I think Schoen had a 2-3 year plan, but winning 9 games last year messed with it because suddenly they were drafting 25th and had an actual decision to make on either paying Jones or going with a stopgap QB.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 25, 2023, 02:24:41 PMThe Giants lost Nick Gates and Feliciano and only gained JMS.  Considering the line played pretty poorly, they should have added more talent either via the draft or free agency.  Hope (that players develop) is a poor substitute for a plan.

The issue is those players have to be available and at a price we can afford. Anyone you're signing at that low price tag is unlikely to be a huge improvement. That's literally what Glowinski and Bredeson were. Realistically, they spent a 2nd round pick on a Center after spending the 7th overall pick on an OT last year. That's a solid amount of draft capital on the O-line. Not to mention they took two more guards last year.

We entered last offseason with questions regarding our QB and RB, a weak receiving corps, no quality linebackers and one good cornerback. Not to mention our best defensive player wanted an extension. Any short-term upgrades were going to have to come from either the draft or guys simply getting better. Sometimes, that is unfortunately the only answer.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 25, 2023, 12:56:27 PMI have Achane (drafted him), but I didn't have him in yest! Killer.

Christian Watson was a brutal pick by me. Took him in the third round. Hasn't played yet. I was bullish on him as he tore it up down the stretch last year as a rookie. Hopefully he comes back soon.

Someone cut Dalton Kincaid in my league. I realize he hasn't done much as of yet, but I could see him developing a bigger role as the year goes on. Want to try to get him.

Josh Palmer and Rashee Rice are both available in my league. I'm only 9th on the wire list this year, but think both are worth grabbing. Mike Williams looks likely done for the season.

I had Achane on my bench as well. Obviously can't kick ourselves over that because who saw that coming from the Dolphins? I did have Davante Adams, which lessened the blow a bit of having a 50 point player on my bench.

If they had Saquon, I don't think they would have abandoned the run as quickly as they did, but it's probably not impacting the outcome too much

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 23, 2023, 11:18:05 AMGiants line didn't play that poorly all things considered.  It wasn't the reason why they lost.  The other side of the ball is why they lost.

It wasn't good. Jones was pressured on something like 50% of his dropbacks. Part of the reason why Purdy's TTT was lower is because the Giants blitzed a lot and he was getting the ball out quickly.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 22, 2023, 04:40:24 PMWe do understand that according to Next Gen Stats Jones's average time to pass was actually better than Purdy's was?  Just want to make sure this wasn't missed.

That stat is really bad at telling you who had better protection. If you honestly watched that game and felt the Giants O-line held up better than the 49ers, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.

Jason