Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: BlueMoshik on Today at 08:38:22 AMSimms is a smart, funny, fascinating guy who really muted himself to fit TV. He's much better when he does relaxed podcasts or is a guest on people's shows, he lets down his hair and is himself. His media career is far from over.

That's an interesting observation.  I tend to agree. I like podcast Simms better than I like broadcast Simms.

Simms is a smart, funny, fascinating guy who really muted himself to fit TV. He's much better when he does relaxed podcasts or is a guest on people's shows, he lets down his hair and is himself. His media career is far from over.

While Waller isn't sure his heart is still in football, he seems to be all in on his music career


https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1748432843326267844

Quote from: babywhales on April 30, 2024, 02:41:39 PMWaller's gutless, uninspired brand of football is not what the team needs.

Paying 14 mill for what little he brings to the table I think is a huge waste.

I suspect they will cut him post June 1 so only 1.9 mill will hit this year and 5.9 next year.

It was a nice try but a swing and miss

What did you see in Waller's play that leads you to describe it as gutless? Any examples?

Quote from: todge on April 30, 2024, 10:12:25 PMGM Schneider's claim was rebuked by Lock himself. He said the Giants told him they were bringing him in to be the backup.

I would suggest we don't pay any attention to the football media because we know they make up stories to get attention. We have never received a statement from Schoen and Daboll other than "Daniel Jones is our starter if healthy."


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Ted,

For what it's worth, this my speculative view (I admit to no insider knowledge)

I think Schoen is being honest when he says his expectation is for Jones to be the starter.   

There are two instances where I can see that reality departing from the expectation.

1) If Jones is clearly struggling while Lock is playing lights out in training camp and the PS

2) If the team is realistically out of the playoffs by the half.  There is a sizeable injury guarantee (I think about $20 to $25 million) if Jones isn't physically able to start the 2025 season.   So, if the team is out of it, I could see the Giants benching Jones to protect the team from having to pay out the injury guarantee.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 07:33:36 AM@H-Town G-Fan

That's quite a damning and harsh attack on my character.  I will confess it angered me, and I was ready to post my usual angry reply.  Only this old dog is learning new tricks.

It was a criticism of a comment you made broadly and incorrectly categorizing those who have a differing opinion from yours. I can't stop you from considering that your character. But we've had a similar conversation before--years ago--and I don't know that we've made progress on this topic since then.

QuoteI took some time to consider what you said and why you said it.  So first I went back to read what you wrote:

I have a few thoughts on your comments:

1)  I believe that everyone here agrees that Jones' "marginal" or "somewhat" improvement will prevent him from continuing to be the dead man walking.

2) I asked you for clarification on that comment, but you declined.

Still, it was the part in bold that really struck me.  As far as I can tell and remember, no one suggested that Jones would have an "MVP-caliber season", not even close.  In fact that seems so far removed from what people were saying, that it reminded me of something I read recently.
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I guess this part--quoting me back tomyself in an attempted "gotcha!"--is supposed to be a reciprocal attack on my "character." But my ego is not so entwined with my comments on a digital football message board that I take it as such. If the implication is that I've acted hypocritically, I am certainly guilty of that at times. But even with fresh eyes of the morning, I don't see it here. If you do... well that's fine.

Because you mentioned it multiple times now, I guess I should clarify (though my comments were Waterford-clear): you did not suggest that Jones would have a season like an MVP candidate. But I also never said you did. A holistic reading of the lone MVP comment you've focused in on would realize that it comes immediately after I stated that I don't see Jones being the long-term solution for the Giants at QB. Read together, along with the following comment that he could improve marginally on 2022, is a pretty simple story encapsulating my opinion.

QuoteI don't dismiss the possibility I could have missed that quote; perhaps @Trench or one of the other people who liked your post could help you find it.

I fear that people having different opinions than you makes you feel "more right." For me, I usually turn to introspection or critical thinking about my position (like I've show above).

Quote from: madbadger on April 30, 2024, 04:28:15 PMWho though? There aren't legions of good players just sitting around looking for someone to pick them up, and what sort of production would have been acceptable considering what an absolute train wreck our quarterback situation was last year?

I am not even saying the 12 mill needs to be reinvested in the TE unit, spend it elsewhere. 

Last year Waller was a disappointment and looked like a guy who wasn't all in.  For him to come out this offseason and admit as much, be gone.

Go with Bellinger and develop Johnson.  Trade Slayton for a TE. 

Get Mercedes Lewis and use him for blocking downs and work Bellinger and Johnson into the passing game.

I am not convinced Jones can progress through 4 receiving routes on 1 play anyway so there is that... at least in his first 5 years he has not so far 

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 08:09:42 AMRich,

When you engage in obfuscation, it's more telling than just answering the question.  H explicitly used the term MVP-caliber; the key work is CALIBER.  Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, etc, etc have never won MVP awards.  Yet, as top 10/5 QBs, they are absolutely considered MVP-caliber QBs and have received MVP votes/consideration.  More than one or two QBs earn MVP votes every year; just like more than one or two player earns Heisman votes.  I can name at least 8 QBs right now who have earned MVP votes and thus are considered MVP-caliber...

I'm shocked I have to define the word caliber to you.... 

Matt,

Look, I have addressed the slanderous attack on my character.  No amount of spin is going to dispute what I said.  I am done, moving on.  I don't want threads about Daniel Jones to be dragged down into the gutter. I hope you and your other critics of Jones share that desire or will at least respect my wishes.   We should be able to talk about our team's QB in a respectful manner and not take potshots or, encourage those potshots by liking them.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 07:57:30 AMMatt, 


MVP is reserved for one or two QBs.   You know that.   That is not remotely the same as potentially being in the top ten.  @tonka was right, once DJ enters the conversation, all naunce is lost.

Rich,

When you engage in obfuscation, it's more telling than just answering the question.  H explicitly used the term MVP-caliber; the key work is CALIBER.  Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, etc, etc have never won MVP awards.  Yet, as top 10/5 QBs, they are absolutely considered MVP-caliber QBs and have received MVP votes/consideration.  More than one or two QBs earn MVP votes every year; just like more than one or two player earns Heisman votes.  I can name at least 8 QBs right now who have earned MVP votes and thus are considered MVP-caliber...

I'm shocked I have to define the word caliber to you.... 

Whatever. Iron sharpens iron.