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Explain why if you like.

Take your pick...an offense that NEEDS to SCORE  and has the talent to score 30 plus points per game is invisible for long stretches.

Four RB's by committee...ludicrous.

The total neglect of Shane Vereen as a weapon that needs to be utilized with 7-10 targets a game.

Using Andre Williams.

Using Andre Williams (not a repeat.

WHEN is the last time we called a pattern where the tight end is running the middle in forward motion (see Mark Bavaro.

Honestly, whatever his playbook is...throw it out.  Sit down with Eli and construct a new one using his input.

Our QB is MORE knowledgeable about plays that will be successful than our fledgling OC.  Does anyone doubt that ??

Injuries to the OL hindered but the offense is not as big of a problem as the defense is!

I need another year to evaluate but I like the fact Eli's interceptions are not as high as they were. Also, considering OBJ is really the only weapon that is above average I would like to add a legit #2 receiver and maybe a quicker back to see how that helps.

I would also like to know if the only reason McAdoos offense was any good was b/c of OBJ. I mean really before Beckham the offense was a joke.

Mac gets a unqualified THUMBS UP.


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Eli should be running this offense.

Quote from: sooners56 on December 21, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
I need another year to evaluate but I like the fact Eli's interceptions are not as high as they were. Also, considering OBJ is really the only weapon that is above average I would like to add a legit #2 receiver and maybe a quicker back to see how that helps.

I would also like to know if the only reason McAdoos offense was any good was b/c of OBJ. I mean really before Beckham the offense was a joke.

A BIG part of it is Beckham.

I think he deserves more time and a healthier group than he's had this year. If the offensive line can stay healthy for 19 games next year, the results will be undeniable. The dial-a-running-back needs to be dialed back. Pick one primary, have a change-up (Vereen) and keep one for backup. Cruz comes back to take the slot and relieves some pressure on OBJ.

How much of this is OBJ? The Giants have a generational talent masking a lot of offensive deficiencies.

(I voted 'mixed review'  btw)

Quote from: T200 on December 21, 2015, 09:01:41 PM
I think he deserves more time and a healthier group than he's had this year. If the offensive line can stay healthy for 19 games next year, the results will be undeniable. The dial-a-running-back needs to be dialed back. Pick one primary, have a change-up (Vereen) and keep one for backup. Cruz comes back to take the slot and relieves some pressure on OBJ.

Cruz is not going to be back.  Not at a $9MM cap hit, at least not at a $9MM cap hit.  Besides, at this point, he is a huge question mark about whether he can even be counted on.

I love how TC gets all the credit for coaching up the horrible players he has but in the next breath some people (some of the same people) think a top 10 scoring offense that has only 1 weapon, no running game and half a o line is some how the problem.

Interesting stuff .

I think he's doing an adequate job.
The offensive line seems under-par.
I blame reese for that.
He drafts projects who don't have a true position but are versatile enough to use interchangeably. Which doesn't seem to be panning out to me.


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I said fire him only because it's probably best for the new coach to determine his staff. I would consider rehiring him if I'm the new coach.

I think he's doing a good job considering his limited experience and the lack of talent with which he has to play.

If we have a consistent OL configuration and a complementary WR and TE next year, this could be a scary good offense. (Yes, I acknowledge, that's a lot of "if"s)

I haven't voted because I have a question that the answer to, would determine my how I would vote.

I really don't think much of Macadoo's offense. yes, Eli's numbers are up dramatically, but any QB's would be, in this system, not just Eli. You could take the bottom of the barrel QB's, put them in the short passing system and all of a sudden they would have good numbers.
I feel Mac's offense is just not very original. I watch games all the time. I see plays that surprise the defense and I think, why can't we run at least one similar play. Rarely do we have a play that fools the defense. We instead run right into the heart of the defense, over and over and over again. (KG #2)

Which brings me to my question

Is Macadoo running his offense regardless of the personnel and sort of blaming his lack of real talent as the reason why it isn't working as well as planned, or is he doing the best he can with the personnel he has? Explaining this a bit further. Our OL stinks, so is Mac using the best plays to fit the personnel we do have, or is he trying to fit a square peg (his offense) into the proverbial round hole? I remember Fassel always complaining that he didn't have the horses to run his offense, never really adopting 'his' offense to the players we did have. Fewell was another one who had a defense and we never really had the right personnel to run it correctly, yet he never changed it to fit who we did have. So is Mac in that category, not altering his offense at all to try and fit the real personnel we have.?

If he is doing what he can with the offense, trying to adopt it to who we have on the field, I would vote to give him another year. If he is just running his offense regardless of who is on the field, he's done.

I really think Reese is the problem. Eli makes non pass catching targets all look good. His whole career he's been throwing to less than legitimate receiving tight ends. We've neglected that position since Reese has been at the helm.
That's why I don't give Reese to much credit when it comes to drafting wide receivers which is the only position Reese's seems to have drafted well. Eli makes any target formidable.
All Reese does is miss in the draft. Nobody pans out.
In my opinion. It's sad because Eli's clock is ticking. He's never had a dominant offensive line. His receivers don't seem to make it to their second contract for him to have that unspoken rapport and long time familiarity with.


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My disappointment with McAdoo is the running back by committee, as far as I can see it was a mistake and it took him too long to realize that.

Quote from: Bye_H8er on December 22, 2015, 03:57:35 PM
...Eli makes non pass catching targets all look good. His whole career he's been throwing to less than legitimate receiving tight ends...Eli makes any target formidable...It's sad because Eli's clock is ticking. He's never had a dominant offensive line...


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Your post was mainly a rant about Reese.  But, I must say something about the above Eli comments:

1.)  Eli has had good TEs during his career - Shockey (lost to injury & egotism), Boss (lost to injury) & another guy whose name starts with a B (lost to injury).

2.)  Eli had excellent O lines during his SB years.

3.)  Reese is wasting Eli's remaining years mainly because he's put such a sad D on the field.

I have always thought that coordinators are vastly overrated. It isn't the play call, but the execution of the play that is the driving force behind offensive efficiency.




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Quote from: todge on December 22, 2015, 08:38:03 PM
I have always thought that coordinators are vastly overrated. It isn't the play call, but the execution of the play that is the driving force behind offensive efficiency.




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As usual Ted, I disagree  (but nicely though  ;) ;))

Yes the execution is important, but only if you have personnel to make it happen. Like my favorite example is Williams. Macadoo continues to run him off tackle and it just never succeeds, So why does he continue to run the same damn play over and over, maybe hoping it will work this time? Sure if we had better execution it might work, but we can't have better execution because we have lousy players trying to execute it.
On another team, you may be correct, but on a team that has a terrible OL, I believe his continuance of calling those same plays that aren't working, over and over again, well that falls on him. He is NOT putting guys like Williams in the best position to succeed.

Quote from: jimv on December 22, 2015, 04:39:19 PM

Your post was mainly a rant about Reese.  But, I must say something about the above Eli comments:

1.)  Eli has had good TEs during his career - Shockey (lost to injury & egotism), Boss (lost to injury) & another guy whose name starts with a B (lost to injury).

2.)  Eli had excellent O lines during his SB years.

3.)  Reese is wasting Eli's remaining years mainly because he's put such a sad D on the field.

Shockey was like a rental for Eli.
Boss was good because Eli made him. When he left he did nothing that's how I know he's nothing.
The guy with a B is that Travis Beckham?
When a receiver leaves Eli for another team,he does nothing.
Eli makes the targets.
Fire Reese. He's piggy backing off Accorsi's success.

I don't think the Super Bowl O-lines were very good. Luke Pettigout is not a left tackle. Eli never had good protection. Decent but not good.


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The B was Ballard.

THANKS, 4 & 7!!!!!!!

Quote from: 4thand17 on December 28, 2015, 12:09:51 AM
The B was Ballard.

understood. I don't remember Ballard moving on to do anything.
Eli is Accorsi's guy.
Eli makes the targets.
Everytime somebody tries to hold out on us and ask the moon and the stars contract wise we let them walk and they go somewhere to die statistically.


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Also Shockey left because he had an argument with that incompetent GM we call Reese.


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You can change your vote now if you decided differently.

Quote from: Vette on December 28, 2015, 11:57:47 AM
You can change your vote now if you decided differently.

i don't follow.


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You can vote again if it's different and it will change your vote.


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I did not notice them.


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96% support for McAdoo at this time.

McAdoo produced a banner fantasy football year for Eli.

And, since fantasy success has little to do with winning Lombardi trophies, the Giants lost more games than they won.
I've been arguing this exact point with Tony Romo fans for a decade.

We can fault the Giants defense for collapsing in several game, costing their team a Win.
But I think almost equally that some of those final minute disasters could have been averted if the Big Blue Offense could have managed one stinking first down.

I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water, so McAdoo gets another year of my support.
Maybe with a healthy Cruz and Beckham, consistent production from the tightend, and the emergence of one clear stud running back (Could be Jennings, could be Williams, could be a rookie), this team will win three or four more games.

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I do not think McAdoo should be blamed for the committee of 4 running backs and the lack of success running off tackle. The off tackle run was a Gilbride special before him. I suspect this play comes from TC direction as does the use of Williams his BC favorite. At least the draw play is out of the play book.
McAdoo is limited by the talent and by TC. His system has allowed us to enjoy Eli for 2 years without him being crippled by the OL. My opinion  for the last 2 year. TC has got to go.

92% support