By now many of you will have seen or heard about the incident at the Oscars last night. Chris Rock was on stage, and he cracked a bald joke about Will Smith's wife, Jada Pinkett Smith, who shaved her head due to suffering from alopecia.
Smith subsequently marched on stage and smacked Chris Rock across the face quite hard. At that point, I assumed it was all fake. However it sounded much more serious when Smith started screaming at him back from the seats. The fact that the LAPD put out a statement after the event further suggests it was real. Here is the video (please be aware there are expletives):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOsPuUnvK9E
By now, most signs seem to point to it being real. I guess it's not 100% definite though.
Assuming it's real, what a terrible look for Will Smith. Even if he was truly offended by that, there are numerous other ways to handle it that would have been better than that. If there are no criminal or civil ramifications for him, he should consider himself lucky.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2022, 06:53:46 AM
By now many of you will have seen or heard about the incident at the Oscars last night. Chris Rock was on stage, and he cracked a bald joke about Will Smith's wife, Jada Pinkett Smith, who shaved her head due to suffering from alopecia.
Smith subsequently marched on stage and smacked Chris Rock across the face quite hard. At that point, I assumed it was all fake. However it sounded much more serious when Smith started screaming at him back from the seats. The fact that the LAPD put out a statement after the event further suggests it was real. Here is the video (please be aware there are expletives):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOsPuUnvK9E
By now, most signs seem to point to it being real. I guess it's not 100% definite though.
Assuming it's real, what a terrible look for Will Smith. Even if he was truly offended by that, there are numerous other ways to handle it that would have been better than that. If there are no criminal or civil ramifications for him, he should consider himself lucky.
Most exciting thing to happen at boring, unwatchable award shows in decades!
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This was not staged. Can't be. The reaction from W Smith after the slap made that pretty evident.
Agree on the perception re W Smith, didn't look good on him. On the flipside, I think Ch Rock overstepped the line there, heavily. Poor on both sides if you ask me.
Quote from: Slugs Narrows on March 28, 2022, 07:01:43 AM
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True, and that is why there are still some who believe it may have been staged.
If it was staged, they did a good job, because I believe it was real, and I'm usually a skeptic with these sorts of things.
Quote from: GordonGekko80 on March 28, 2022, 07:02:31 AM
This was not staged. Can't be. The reaction from W Smith after the slap made that pretty evident.
Agree on the perception re W Smith, didn't look good on him. On the flipside, I think Ch Rock overstepped the line there, heavily. Poor on both sides if you ask me.
Perhaps, but the reaction was still outrageously over the top. The joke was not very nice, but it was nothing compared to the stuff Ricky Gervais has said to people over the years at the Golden Globes. Not even close. Most adults have more self control than that. Especially adults in the public eye who routinely have to deal with all kinds of attacks and criticism.
They won
I don
It wasn't real.
A face slap doesn't sound like a 'thud' and Rock's mic is right there on his lapel. If it was a real slap, the mic would have picked up a different sound.
Plus, Will wouldn't have done that if he was really offended at a joke. He would have pulled Chris aside off camera. Maybe things would have gotten escalated backstage (I doubt it). Chris Rock is a comedian, not a fighter.
Last, this https://youtu.be/8cBRfjcY9SQ is how Will slaps a man =)) And even in that clip, you can hear a 'smack' and not a 'thud' sound.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 28, 2022, 07:39:46 AM
These people are all so full of themselves.
No doubt about that. Even before the show became unpopular, the Oscars were always a 3-4 hour festival of self-congratulation and hackneyed political lectures, often coming from people who clearly don't know that much about the subjects they're preaching about.
Quote from: T200 on March 28, 2022, 07:57:28 AM
It wasn't real.
A face slap doesn't sound like a 'thud' and Rock's mic is right there on his lapel. If it was a real slap, the mic would have picked up a different sound.
Plus, Will wouldn't have done that if he was really offended at a joke. He would have pulled Chris aside off camera. Maybe things would have gotten escalated backstage (I doubt it). Chris Rock is a comedian, not a fighter.
Last, this https://youtu.be/8cBRfjcY9SQ is how Will slaps a man =)) And even in that clip, you can hear a 'smack' and not a 'thud' sound.
The LAPD made a public statement a couple hours after the event, stating they would not move forward with charges since Chris Rock was not pressing them.
It is hard to believe a serious institution like that would get involved in a Hollywood publicity stunt.
I don't know, and I don't care.
Quote from: Slugs Narrows on March 28, 2022, 08:09:06 AM
Ding ding ding ding!
Idc if it was real or fake! I still won
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2022, 08:22:19 AM
I agree, although in a serious fight Smith would be a big favorite against Rock, and Rock knows that.
Nonetheless, he held himself together impressively.
Will Smith doesn't appear to be particularly remorseful or even reflective about the incident. Nice job with the alligator tears in the acceptance speech. Here he is at the after-party following this whole incident:
https://twitter.com/RaminSetoodeh/status/1508346440321433607
Dave
In the moment idk if the brain calculates can a beat this man
I can accept it if he was standing right next to Chris Rock when he made the comment and it was a knee jerk reaction. That didn
Quote from: Slugs Narrows on March 28, 2022, 08:30:42 AM
Dave
In the moment idk if the brain calculates can a beat this man
I have heard interviews with Will Smith and I did not like him. He came off as arrogant and full of himself. So this behavior was hardly shocking
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 28, 2022, 08:33:36 AM
I was Watching The Walking Dead.
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Yea I
Quote from: Slugs Narrows on March 28, 2022, 08:30:42 AM
Dave
In the moment idk if the brain calculates can a beat this man
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2022, 08:34:43 AM
I have heard interviews with Will Smith and I did not like him. He came off as arrogant and full of himself. So this behavior was hardly shocking
MG,
I agree with your assessment on Smith; I had a similar view on him even prior to this incident.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2022, 08:38:05 AM
MG,
I agree with your assessment on Smith; I had a similar view on him even prior to this incident.
Actors Musicians Performers athletes- we watch them all for what they produce, not who they are!
Many of them I
Quote from: Slugs Narrows on March 28, 2022, 08:47:04 AM
Actors Musicians Performers athletes- we watch them all for what they produce, not who they are!
Many of them I
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2022, 08:36:40 AM
Slugs
Good point about how things change once you have been hit. Adrenaline kicks in and you can become a different person. I have not been in lots of fights, but I have been in a handful when I was younger, and I agree that things change once it starts, especially with any blow to the face or head.
I don't think it was staged myself. All the follow-up stuff from outside bodies suggests it was real. I will certainly concede however that it is possible it was. That's not my personal instinct though. If the Academy wanted to pull a PR stunt I don't think they would have chosen something ugly like this.
Wasn't it Tyson who said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched..."
Actually a pretty profound statement considering the source
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 28, 2022, 08:56:09 AM
One of the best seasons ever. Some great scenes and acting.
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Really. Hmmm. The segment of the final season prior to this I thought was a bit lacking. I figured they were building up to something but seeing as WD is always non stop action I was a bit disappointed. Can
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 28, 2022, 09:00:42 AM
Wasn't it Tyson who said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched..."
Actually a pretty profound statement considering the source
Sometimes all you need is a look
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2022, 09:00:36 AM
I am not about to paint all performers with that sort of broad brush. I am speaking specifically about Will Smith. I would say a solid majority of performers, in the categories you mentioned, come off as good or decent people in their interviews, Will Smith was not among them. He comes off as unlikeable in his interviews and portrayed an attitude that made his extremely poor behavior anything but a shock.
If you read my whole statement I didn
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 28, 2022, 09:00:42 AM
Wasn't it Tyson who said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched..."
Actually a pretty profound statement considering the source
Yes he did, he also said
Quote from: Slugs Narrows on March 28, 2022, 08:47:04 AM
Actors Musicians Performers athletes- we watch them all for what they produce, not who they are!
Many of them I
One argument in favor of this event being staged is Rock's physical reaction to the blow. If you watch him, he has his hands behind his back and is leaning outwards, just prior to being struck. Two observations:
(1) If an angry person is aggressively storming towards you, the natural reaction is to take a more stable, defensive physical posture. You generally don't see people sticking their face out with their hands behind their backs in this situation. Granted, if it was real, Rock probably was not expecting Smith to actually hit him.
(2) Given his less than stable stance, a blow of that force would tend to knock the person down, or at least cause them to stagger or double over. Or at least to touch their face afterwards, check for blood, etc. Rock does none of that. In fact, he barely moves his feet.
The part of this that seems real is Smith's furious screaming after he has returned to his seat. The actual punch did not look conclusively real in my opinion.
I am still sticking to the view that it was real though. All of the reaction the next day makes it seem like it was, and I just don't believe that the Academy would sign off on something like this, including violence and major, high volume profanity. I also don't think the LAPD would have been willing to formally participate in a staged hoax.
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Actually all that being said, Chris Rock is an XXXXXXX and needs a good punch in the face. I
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2022, 09:23:18 AM
One argument in favor of this event being staged is Rock's physical reaction to the blow. If you watch him, he has his hands behind his back and is leaning outwards, just prior to being struck. Two observations:
(1) If an angry person is aggressively storming towards you, the natural reaction is to take a more stable, defensive physical posture. You generally don't see people sticking their face out with their hands behind their backs in this situation. Granted, if it was real, Rock probably was not expecting Smith to actually hit him.
(2) Given his less than stable stance, a blow of that force would tend to knock the person down, or at least cause them to stagger or double over. Or at least to touch their face afterwards, check for blood, etc. Rock does none of that. In fact, he barely moves his feet.
The part of this that seems real is Smith's furious screaming after he has returned to his seat. The actual punch did not look conclusively real in my opinion.
I am still sticking to the view that it was real though. All of the reaction the next day makes it seem like it was, and I just don't believe that the Academy would sign off on something like this, including violence and major, high volume profanity. I also don't think the LAPD would have been willing to formally participate in a staged hoax.
You hit on yet you circle back. Lol
He instinctively would have put his hands forward to protect himself even after the blow. It
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 28, 2022, 09:18:16 AM
There are some really decent people in that arena; albeit, not a whole lot IMO. They've lost touch with real people yet oftentimes have an awful lot to say about things in which they are hardly experts. One of the actors who I used to hold in high regard, but no longer do is Tom Hanks. His smug reaction in response to Ricky Gervais during the Golden Globes (and Gervais is friggin hilarious in that position) and subsequent smugness towards the "little people" turned me off. I don't know if I totally agree with Marlon Brando after refusing the Academy Award for his role in the Godfather, but some of what he said was spot on. He said acting does not deserve accolades as it's nothing more than prostituting yourself for other peoples' enjoyment and is nothing more than pretending to be someone else.
However...I guess...pretending to be someone and doing an excellent job at it compared to rivals should be acknowledged...IMO. It only goes south when an actor suddenly decides he or she has "arrived at the pinnacle of humanity and should be adored - if not worshipped - by all" because they did a good job at pretending to be someone else
Regardless, Hollywood is Hollywood - a fairy tale land where commoners (usually very good looking ones) can become some of the wealthiest people in the world and get to flaunt limos, mansions, jewelry and outfits that cost tens of thousands of dollars while looking down their noses at the peons who revere them. I can't imagine what starving children and billions of poverty stricken around the world think of these people
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Quote from: Ed Vette on March 28, 2022, 09:26:31 AM
You hit on yet you circle back. Lol
He instinctively would have put his hands forward to protect himself even after the blow. It
Many people resent Hollywood for giving/receiving awards, doing speeches, and often being arrogant, but athletes do exactly the same things, don't they? How come they don't get criticized for similar behavior? Is it because Hollywood gets more involved in liberal politics? Outside of that, I don't see a ton of difference as far as this aspect of their respective industries go.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2022, 09:23:18 AM
One argument in favor of this event being staged is Rock's physical reaction to the blow. If you watch him, he has his hands behind his back and is leaning outwards, just prior to being struck. Two observations:
(1) If an angry person is aggressively storming towards you, the natural reaction is to take a more stable, defensive physical posture. You generally don't see people sticking their face out with their hands behind their backs in this situation. Granted, if it was real, Rock probably was not expecting Smith to actually hit him.
(2) Given his less than stable stance, a blow of that force would tend to knock the person down, or at least cause them to stagger or double over. Or at least to touch their face afterwards, check for blood, etc. Rock does none of that. In fact, he barely moves his feet.
The part of this that seems real is Smith's furious screaming after he has returned to his seat. The actual punch did not look conclusively real in my opinion.
I am still sticking to the view that it was real though. All of the reaction the next day makes it seem like it was, and I just don't believe that the Academy would sign off on something like this, including violence and major, high volume profanity. I also don't think the LAPD would have been willing to formally participate in a staged hoax.
I think it was coordinated between just the two of them but Will went a little off script with the follow-up profanities.
Now, this is a reach but I think it's a possibility: Jada has essentially emasculated Will IN PUBLIC with her admissions of infidelity. Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, Will gave Rock the go-ahead to tell the GI Jane 2 joke knowing that Jada would take it personally. Will had a hearty laugh at it and then feigned offended outrage.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 28, 2022, 09:32:03 AM
Many people resent Hollywood for giving/receiving awards, doing speeches, and often being arrogant, but athletes do exactly the same things, don't they? How come they don't get criticized for similar behavior? Is it because Hollywood gets more involved in liberal politics? Outside of that, I don't see a ton of difference as far as this aspect of their respective industries go.
So do high level executives and business owners with all those fancy dinners honoring each other with a hand job passing it on to the next one. All Pomp and Circumstance. In that case the criticism gets whispered.
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Quote from: Ed Vette on March 28, 2022, 09:46:58 AM
So do high level executives and business owners with all those fancy dinners honoring each other with a hand job passing it on to the next one. All Pomp and Circumstance. In that case the criticism gets whispered.
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Good point - I agree.
Quote from: T200 on March 28, 2022, 09:44:06 AM
I think it was coordinated between just the two of them but Will went a little off script with the follow-up profanities.
Now, this is a reach but I think it's a possibility: Jada has essentially emasculated Will IN PUBLIC with her admissions of infidelity. Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, Will gave Rock the go-ahead to tell the GI Jane 2 joke knowing that Jada would take it personally. Will had a hearty laugh at it and then feigned offended outrage.
He actually was smiling as he walked off stage.
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Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 28, 2022, 09:18:16 AM
There are some really decent people in that arena; albeit, not a whole lot IMO. They've lost touch with real people yet oftentimes have an awful lot to say about things in which they are hardly experts. One of the actors who I used to hold in high regard, but no longer do is Tom Hanks. His smug reaction in response to Ricky Gervais during the Golden Globes (and Gervais is friggin hilarious in that position) and subsequent smugness towards the "little people" turned me off. I don't know if I totally agree with Marlon Brando after refusing the Academy Award for his role in the Godfather, but some of what he said was spot on. He said acting does not deserve accolades as it's nothing more than prostituting yourself for other peoples' enjoyment and is nothing more than pretending to be someone else.
However...I guess...pretending to be someone and doing an excellent job at it compared to rivals should be acknowledged...IMO. It only goes south when an actor suddenly decides he or she has "arrived at the pinnacle of humanity and should be adored - if not worshipped - by all" because they did a good job at pretending to be someone else
Regardless, Hollywood is Hollywood - a fairy tale land where commoners (usually very good looking ones) can become some of the wealthiest people in the world and get to flaunt limos, mansions, jewelry and outfits that cost tens of thousands of dollars while looking down their noses at the peons who revere them. I can't imagine what starving children and billions of poverty stricken around the world think of these people
When I hear comments like this and I consider the factual actions of the man on who the scorn is heaped, I wonder how such a disconnect is created. I mean I like to think I am a good person, but Tom Hank's good deeds and works far exceed my own
https://thelatch.com.au/tom-hanks-charity-work/
Quote from: T200 on March 28, 2022, 09:44:06 AM
I think it was coordinated between just the two of them but Will went a little off script with the follow-up profanities.
Now, this is a reach but I think it's a possibility: Jada has essentially emasculated Will IN PUBLIC with her admissions of infidelity. Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, Will gave Rock the go-ahead to tell the GI Jane 2 joke knowing that Jada would take it personally. Will had a hearty laugh at it and then feigned offended outrage.
Interesting theory. Certainly cannot be ruled out!
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2022, 09:48:32 AM
When I hear comments like this and I consider the factual actions of the man on who the scorn is heaped, I wonder how such a disconnect is created. I mean I like to think I am a good person, but Tom Hank's good deeds and works far exceed my own
https://thelatch.com.au/tom-hanks-charity-work/
Just cause someone does good deeds and throws money they have and can afford to give away doesn
Quote from: T200 on March 28, 2022, 09:44:06 AM
I think it was coordinated between just the two of them but Will went a little off script with the follow-up profanities.
Now, this is a reach but I think it's a possibility: Jada has essentially emasculated Will IN PUBLIC with her admissions of infidelity. Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, Will gave Rock the go-ahead to tell the GI Jane 2 joke knowing that Jada would take it personally. Will had a hearty laugh at it and then feigned offended outrage.
I could see that! Like I said earlier he was laughing before he wasn
Quote from: Slugs Narrows on March 28, 2022, 09:52:14 AM
Just cause someone does good deeds and throws money they have and can afford to give away doesn
Quote from: Slugs Narrows on March 28, 2022, 09:52:14 AM
Just cause someone does good deeds and throws money they have and can afford to give away doesn
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2022, 10:22:30 AM
Sorry, but actions speak louder than words. When you have a man who gives not just his money but his time and throw in the many many stories of Tom Hanks just doing good things for random strangers, I have to wonder how well charitical acts of the people throwing stones at him match up
That
There are some in Hollywood who are truly decent people. Denzel Washington jumps to mind. Some don't flaunt their wealth and are modest in every way. I don't think there's a better person in Hollywood than Keanu Reeves. He's embarrassed of the money he makes so he gives much of it away - especially to people less fortunate than himself while donating millions to children's hospitals, cancer research, etc. He gave 70% of his earnings in Matrix to charity then turned around and bought new Harley Davidson motorcycles for the stuntmen that did the hard work in his movie. He constantly mingles with commoners and is genuinely modest to everyone right down to the homeless, giving up his seat on the subway to women and elderly, giving any kid an autograph, helping people along the road when their car breaks down, etc. He does not carry himself in any way that would indicate that he thinks he is better than anyone. And when anyone asks to have their picture taken with him, he always complies and at the same time, never touches a woman while they get their selfie. He puts his hand in his pocket rather than around their waist and doesn't ever want them to feel belittled, etc. He's smart enough to know that people don't want to hear his political opinions or opinions on anything for that matter and is known for listening, not talking and takes a genuine interest in other people. On top of that, his ridiculous amount of charity works was kept a secret for over 18 years until someone from the inside broke the news for which Keanu did NOT want it known. Just a really, really good person. Google him - he's a person that breaks the mold for how actors should be. He will never ever be caught with a smug look on his face because he thinks he better than someone
I try not to assume the worst about people as a general practice. I have always liked Tom Hanks, because he does come off as a nice guy, from all that I have gathered people who know him seem to like him and like working with him, and he definitely makes really good movies for the most part.
With that said, I also don't think anyone can really know someone's true nature until they really know him or her very closely, with a lot of firsthand experiences, particularly during bad times or challenging situations. Just because someone usually comes off as nice and humble in interviews doesn't mean they don't have a dark side. Did any of you think Bill Cosby was a terrible human being before the allegations against him came to light? Even OJ was pretty popular and well liked prior to his whole disaster. And he was not a professional, highly skilled actor like Hanks.
Generally speaking, I don't like applying unflattering labels to broad groups of people. It is very common in our society to do that. People judge large groups based on their profession, whom they voted for, and certainly of course for their religion/ethnic group, sexual preference, and so on. I try to make it a practice not to ever do this, and that certainly includes Hollywood. I think plenty of people in that industry are good people. Obviously, plenty are not. Same as any other large industry.
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 28, 2022, 11:10:39 AM
There are some in Hollywood who are truly decent people. Denzel Washington jumps to mind. Some don't flaunt their wealth and are modest in every way. I don't think there's a better person in Hollywood than Keanu Reeves. He's embarrassed of the money he makes so he gives much of it away - especially to people less fortunate than himself while donating millions to children's hospitals, cancer research, etc. He gave 70% of his earnings in Matrix to charity then turned around and bought new Harley Davidson motorcycles for the stuntmen that did the hard work in his movie. He constantly mingles with commoners and is genuinely modest to everyone right down to the homeless, giving up his seat on the subway to women and elderly, giving any kid an autograph, helping people along the road when their car breaks down, etc. He does not carry himself in any way that would indicate that he thinks he is better than anyone. And when anyone asks to have their picture taken with him, he always complies and at the same time, never touches a woman while they get their selfie. He puts his hand in his pocket rather than around their waist and doesn't ever want them to feel belittled, etc. He's smart enough to know that people don't want to hear his political opinions or opinions on anything for that matter and is known for listening, not talking and takes a genuine interest in other people. On top of that, his ridiculous amount of charity works was kept a secret for over 18 years until someone from the inside broke the news for which Keanu did NOT want it known. Just a really, really good person. Google him - he's a person that breaks the mold for how actors should be. He will never ever be caught with a smug look on his face because he thinks he better than someone
Jolly
Awesome post and one of the actors I too thought of when discussing this.
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Sorry, just wanted to chime in real quick- there is no way this was staged. And it was a ridiculous look that just minutes later the man was able to go up and get applause for winning best actor.
It also proves that groupthink happens everywhere- to every spectrum of human- the left-wing groupthink on display last night is just as disappointing as the right-wing groupthink so many of those same folks have railed against for years.
I am also late to this, but, I watched the entire thing and rewatched it just after it happened. (you know rewind live TV). My first assessment was WOW, but then I never saw any sort of reaction from Rock, and that, to me, was a big-time give-a-way that it simply could not be real. After rewatching it, I am positive the entire thing was staged.
It's not like Smith just walked up there and tapped him on the cheek, he reared back and let him have it, and sorry, there is simply no way Rock wouldn't reach for his face. It is sort of an involuntary reaction. Bump your head, you reach up and check it. There is simply no way he doesn't put his hand up to his face if it were real. It even looked like Rock had a sort of smirk on his face as Smith was walking back.
I told my wife right away, even bad publicity is good publicity and what better way than on a show that is being broadcast all over the world.
Maybe at next year's award, both these guys will be up for acting overboard award.
Plus, I watch this show every year and I have never seen a worse Academy Awards show in all that time. Ladies with their bosoms hanging out, guys with no shirts on, guys with no socks on, even the tribute to those who have passed away was horrible as it was more about the singers and dancers than those who have passed. AND if I never see Wanda Sykes again, my life will be complete.
We all have our own opinions, but mine continues to be that it was real. Will Smith is getting absolutely skewered today by everyone. I see absolutely no reason why he would agree to participate in something that would clearly cause reputational damage to him and make him look like a really bad guy. That does not ring true to me. He doesn't need publicity as he is already a major movie star. What needed a jolt was the Academy Awards show. Will Smith did not, and if this were fake, he would be the one paying the price. It makes no sense to me that he would agree to do that. I think it was real.
Will Smith has publicly apologized to Chris Rock (finally).
Here it is on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbqmaY1p7Pz/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=43979e2d-3c83-401b-a2bc-70d47f0f8c86
Again, I just don't see why he would agree to go through all this just to help the Academy Awards' ratings at his own expenses. He has been lambasted for his behavior and is in major damage control mode. Nobody would sign up for a hoax that puts them in such a bad position.
We're all missing the bigger picture here.
Does this mean Will Smith is moving with his auntie and uncle in Bel-Air?
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We're all missing the bigger picture here.
Does this mean Will Smith is moving with his auntie and uncle in Bel-Air?
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I actually think the fact that Smith initially laughed, just prior to flipping out, makes this being a planned hoax less likely to be the case, not more likely.
I was holding out hope that it was just something coordinated between the two of them that obviously took a turn for the worse. I mean, Will laughed at the joke and it wasn't until Jada looked at him that his tone changed. But even then, it seems that he was reluctant to do anything and was pressured to defend her honor. After the "smack," he couldn't take anything back so he had to go all in and finish the "scene" with his outburst.
It's a bad look all around.
Quote from: T200 on March 29, 2022, 08:09:17 AM
I was holding out hope that it was just something coordinated between the two of them that obviously took a turn for the worse. I mean, Will laughed at the joke and it wasn't until Jada looked at him that his tone changed. But even then, it seems that he was reluctant to do anything and was pressured to defend her honor. After the "smack," he couldn't take anything back so he had to go all in and finish the "scene" with his outburst.
It's a bad look all around.
Definitely. And it will be an even worse look if the Academy permits him to come back next year. I think he should be banned for a few years, at least. Not a lifetime ban necessarily, because people deserve to be forgiven for most things if they improve, but this was outrageous enough that there is no way he should be coming back for (in my opinion) at least 2-3 years. Sorry, but you don't get to physically assault other human beings just because you don't like a joke. It doesn't work that way. Not in this country at least. In fact most normal people would get jailed or at least sued for that. If he avoids both of those things he should consider himself lucky.
I believe it was real. I think Rock was completely caught off guard and that's why he didn't even begin to protect himself thinking Smith was going to do something that was adlib and funny. I give Rock an awful lot of credit for going on as if it was no big deal.
It's weird because in the land of La La, humor amongst actors is roasting one another - happens all the time, even in country music award shows. Roasting is just part of the whole scene. Rock was simply doing what all actors do when being funny in world of Hollywood stars. Apparently, Rock had no idea that Jada had a disease so it was definitely awkward. I'm sure that if she was offended, her husband might want to look like a hero and stand up for his wife, but all that would have taken is for him to holler "okay Chris...that's enough, keep my wife out of it". Which is how many husbands stand up for their wives (as they should) if they believe she's been insulted. Instead, he went old school - mano a mano, use physical violence and intimidation making a huge awkward scene. And poor Chris didn't even know he was insulting Jada.
The whole thing was just a very ugly moment and I don't think it helped Smith's career one iota and he might have lost a lot of fans.
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 29, 2022, 08:28:33 AM
I believe it was real. I think Rock was completely caught off guard and that's why he didn't even begin to protect himself thinking Smith was going to do something that was adlib and funny. I give Rock an awful lot of credit for going on as if it was no big deal.
It's weird because in the land of La La, humor amongst actors is roasting one another - happens all the time, even in country music award shows. Roasting is just part of the whole scene. Rock was simply doing what all actors do when being funny in world of Hollywood stars. Apparently, Rock had no idea that Jada had a disease so it was definitely awkward. I'm sure that if she was offended, her husband might want to look like a hero and stand up for his wife, but all that would have taken is for him to holler "okay Chris...that's enough, keep my wife out of it". Which is how many husbands stand up for their wives (as they should) if they believe she's been insulted. Instead, he went old school - mano a mano, use physical violence and intimidation making a huge awkward scene. And poor Chris didn't even know he was insulting Jada.
The whole thing was just a very ugly moment and I don't think it helped Smith's career one iota and he might have lost a lot of fans.
Good take, and I agree across the board.
I would also add that I can't imagine this episode helps Will Smith as far as other actors and directors wanting to work with him on new projects moving forward. If he's this thin-skinned and volatile, why work with him? It's not like he's the only good actor in the world.
And this is not the first time he has shown this side of his personality either.
Look at the snapshots Ed put up. Why does Rock have his hands behind his back, basically allowing Smith full access to him? Rock was doing a monologue and if Smith came up, if I were Rock, I would think he was coming for some sort of playful thing, not to whack him. These guys have to know each other and usually, at the Oscars, everyone is buddies or pretends to be. If it were real, Rock had to have thought Smith was coming up for some air time and some playful thing. So Rock clasps his hands behind his back as he knows Smith is going to whack him, so he can't show anything back.
Why would Smith do something like this, because 15 million people were watching and his name is still being talked about today? PUBLICITY.
Quote from: LennG on March 29, 2022, 11:11:21 AM
Look at the snapshots Ed put up. Why does Rock have his hands behind his back, basically allowing Smith full access to him? Rock was doing a monologue and if Smith came up, if I were Rock, I would think he was coming for some sort of playful thing, not to whack him. These guys have to know each other and usually, at the Oscars, everyone is buddies or pretends to be. If it were real, Rock had to have thought Smith was coming up for some air time and some playful thing. So Rock clasps his hands behind his back as he knows Smith is going to whack him, so he can't show anything back.
Why would Smith do something like this, because 15 million people were watching and his name is still being talked about today? PUBLICITY.
They are good friends and play Basketball together along with Adam Sandler.
Daniel Jeremiah had an interesting take on this. He figures Smith got caught by his wife laughing at Rock's joke so he had to sort of make things right
Of course it was real. It was also a sickening display of high school virtue signaling herd mentality how much consoling Smith received from his cohort.
I like Chris Rock and I dont think he deserves one bit of blame or a smack across the face.
As for Smith, I feel sorry for him. I had not known what was going on in their so-called 'open marriage'. This seems to have nothing to do with Rock or Alopecia and everything to do with Smith and his wife. His disjointed acceptance speech wreaks of a humiliated, broken, cucked and frustrated man.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
Daniel Jeremiah had an interesting take on this. He figures Smith got caught by his wife laughing at Rock's joke so he had to sort of make things right
That's not an "interesting take" so much as an obvious thing any married man would recognize in an instant.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
Daniel Jeremiah had an interesting take on this. He figures Smith got caught by his wife laughing at Rock's joke so he had to sort of make things right
I mentioned that above.
I agree with Jimmy, that as a married man, we know the "look" of disapproval when we're doing something she doesn't approve of. :doh: :surrender:
Kareen Abdul-Jabbar had a different and equally interesting take (I removed one sentence for politics)
Some have romanticized Smith
I think some of it was Smith trying to reclaim his masculinity after his wife emasculated him on TV when she spoke of the affair with that very young man.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2022, 12:59:26 PM
Kareen Abdul-Jabbar had a different and equally interesting take (I removed one sentence for polics)
Some have romanticized Smith
There isn't really that thin a line between, "I am woman, hear me roar" and "I am woman...a delicate flower". But I've seen it many times in my life where the strong woman defends herself (and only wants it that way). I've also dated delicate flowers that can be meaner than a snake
Quote from: T200 on March 29, 2022, 01:25:52 PM
The parts I bolded above from KAJ tells me that there are indeed women who not necessarily *need* a man to defend their honor. They WANT it that way. I hate to repeat it but Will was 100% OK with the joke. He had a good laugh. Jada did not. Her look of disapproval is the ONLY reason Will got up. Had she laughed along and brushed it off, this thread would not exist. Now, that's not to say that Jada wanted Will to have a physical altercation but she did want him to check Chris.
Every relationship has its own unique dynamic that makes the relationship work (or not). There are people who feel that if their partner gets jealous, it's symbolic of love. In a healthy relationship, it isn't. But to someone who is broken and hasn't had experience in a healthy emotional relationship, it may very well mean love to them. Will and Jada do not have a traditional relationship. Many Hollywood relationships aren't traditional. Jada is not alone in wanting her man to stand up for her when she feels she's been wronged, offended, or disrespected.
I look at it this way, I seriously doubt one size fits all when you are talking about half the earth's population
Quote from: jimmyz on March 29, 2022, 12:40:01 PM
Of course it was real. It was also a sickening display of high school virtue signaling herd mentality how much consoling Smith received from his cohort.
I like Chris Rock and I dont think he deserves one bit of blame or a smack across the face.
As for Smith, I feel sorry for him. I had not known what was going on in their so-called 'open marriage'. This seems to have nothing to do with Rock or Alopecia and everything to do with Smith and his wife. His disjointed acceptance speech wreaks of a humiliated, broken, cucked and frustrated man.
If they have an open marriage, then presumably that is something they mutually agreed to, and both of them were seeing other people. So given that, I am not sure why Will Smith would feel any more jilted, cuckolded, or humiliated than his wife would. Or why either of them would if they both agreed to it. I am not sure I see any connection between the open marriage and what happened at the Oscars myself, although admittedly I am not privy to the intimate details of their personal life.
Smith is clearly a hot-tempered, volatile person with violent instincts who thinks it's ok to smack someone. It's not the first time he has been caught on camera slapping someone. He also showed no remorse or regret the rest of the night after the incident and only put the apology out there once his PR team and agent got to him and persuaded him to. I disagree that this is publicity that he wants. He looks really bad right now, plus he didn't need any additional publicity as he was awarded best actor by the Academy. That is more publicity than almost any actor gets. Nobody wants to look like the biggest douche bag in America, which is what he looks like right now.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2022, 01:49:19 PM
I look at it this way, I seriously doubt one size fits all when you are talking about half the earth's population
I hope I didn't come across as suggesting that :confused:
Quote from: T200 on March 29, 2022, 02:01:49 PM
I hope I didn't come across as suggesting that :confused:
No, but I thought it was worth clarifying.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 29, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
If they have an open marriage, then presumably that is something they mutually agreed to, and both of them were seeing other people. So given that, I am not sure why Will Smith would feel any more jilted, cuckolded, or humiliated than his wife would. Or why either of them would if they both agreed to it. I am not sure I see any connection between the open marriage and what happened at the Oscars myself, although admittedly I am not privy to the intimate details of their personal life.
Smith is clearly a hot-tempered, volatile person with violent instincts who thinks it's ok to smack someone. It's not the first time he has been caught on camera slapping someone. He also showed no remorse or regret the rest of the night after the incident and only put the apology out there once his PR team and agent got to him and persuaded him to. I disagree that this is publicity that he wants. He looks really bad right now, plus he didn't need any additional publicity as he was awarded best actor by the Academy. That is more publicity than almost any actor gets. Nobody wants to look like the biggest douche bag in America, which is what he looks like right now.
You think so? If only real life was like the printed word. Cut and dry. Suuuuure they both wanted it. The rest of what you wrote is just based on what you declared as given.
Have you ever met people in an open marriage before? I have. My sample size is only two couples (though I would guess this is far more than most people have encountered in their lives) and in both cases I got the sense that one of them wanted it more than the other and that the latter merely agreed to it more than wanted it themselves.
You can say "clearly" this and that but you just never know.
And if you dont know how one incident can lead up to a completely unrelated incident....then that renders anyone on this message board who has ever apologized for bad forum behavior with the explanation that "things have been stressful in my life lately" as an excuse maker. I don't think that's fair? Do you? Besides, what need is there for a logical connection when we're talking about irrational behavior? One can have a string of unconnected bad incidents that trigger some strange misdirected retaliation.
On a side note, reading through this thread, I can tell you guys are in full on draft geek mode as the analysis of this incident is rife with deep dive pin point hawk eyed looks into tells and body language. Some of you guys were born with calculators in your diapers.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 29, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
If they have an open marriage, then presumably that is something they mutually agreed to, and both of them were seeing other people. So given that, I am not sure why Will Smith would feel any more jilted, cuckolded, or humiliated than his wife would. Or why either of them would if they both agreed to it. I am not sure I see any connection between the open marriage and what happened at the Oscars myself, although admittedly I am not privy to the intimate details of their personal life.
Smith is clearly a hot-tempered, volatile person with violent instincts who thinks it's ok to smack someone. It's not the first time he has been caught on camera slapping someone. He also showed no remorse or regret the rest of the night after the incident and only put the apology out there once his PR team and agent got to him and persuaded him to. I disagree that this is publicity that he wants. He looks really bad right now, plus he didn't need any additional publicity as he was awarded best actor by the Academy. That is more publicity than almost any actor gets. Nobody wants to look like the biggest douche bag in America, which is what he looks like right now.
It's amazing that any actor/actress doesn't have an open marriage. They make movies thousands of miles apart for weeks and even months at a time. If one is gone and gets back, then the spouse is off making a movie somewhere. I've read that some married celebrities only see each other a couple times a year
If you read up about the lives of the old 1930s-60s gossip columns, open everything was the standard. Read up on Lana Turner, Mae West, Ingrid Bergman, Joan Crawford...just a tiny list of women who spent a lot of time on their backs (and other positions). Then there was Clark Gable, Charlie Chaplin, Errol Flynn, Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty, just off the top my head who boasted of sleeping with at least a thousand women. In fact, in old Hollywood it was just expected that sex came with the job and a marriage was little more than show. And even though the gay lifestyle wasn't really accepted by the general population until recently, it was rampant throughout Hollywood and everyone knew it and no one gave a rat's ass (Joan Crawford, Greta Garbo, Katharine Hepburn, Marlene Dietrich...and of course Rock Hudson, Chuck Conners, Vincent Price, Raymond Burr, Spencer Tracy (he claimed to only be bi though), some even say Cary Grant crossed to the other side, etc.). It should come as no shock that Harvey Weinstein (having known and been a part of the long history of sex in Hollywood) simply expected all actresses to put out if they wanted in the game - it was standard procedure for decades
Nothing in celebrities lives should shock us - in sports (Wilt Chamberlain, Tiger, Ric Flair, the list is endless). Same goes for musicians, politicians, and general socialites. Anyway, you get the picture. So when Will and Jada announced they had an open marriage I really don't know what the big deal was about as that has always been the unspoken rule in Hollywood in most cases
Moral of the story: If you want a quiet normal marriage, keep a simple life, don't get rich, and stay out of the spot light. Or like that old song by Jimmy Soul, "If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, Never make a pretty woman your wife, So for my personal point of view, Get an ugly girl to marry you.." Even then there will most likely be challenges for which I can attest to... LOL
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on March 29, 2022, 02:39:54 PM
It's amazing that any actor/actress doesn't have an open marriage. They make movies thousands of miles apart for weeks and even months at a time. If one is gone and gets back, then the spouse is off making a movie somewhere. I've read that some married celebrities only see each other a couple times a year
If you read up about the lives of the old 1930s-60s gossip columns, open everything was the standard. Read up on Lana Turner, Mae West, Ingrid Bergman, Joan Crawford...just a tiny list of women who spent a lot of time on their backs (and other positions). Then there was Clark Gable, Charlie Chaplin, Errol Flynn, Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty, just off the top my head who boasted of sleeping with at least a thousand women. In fact, in old Hollywood it was just expected that sex came with the job and a marriage was little more than show. And even though the gay lifestyle wasn't really accepted by the general population until recently, it was rampant throughout Hollywood and everyone knew it and no one gave a rat's ass (Joan Crawford, Greta Garbo, Katharine Hepburn, Marlene Dietrich...and of course Rock Hudson, Chuck Conners, Vincent Price, Raymond Burr, Spencer Tracy (he claimed to only be bi though), some even say Cary Grant crossed to the other side, etc.). It should come as no shock that Harvey Weinstein (having known and been a part of the long history of sex in Hollywood) simply expected all actresses to put out if they wanted in the game - it was standard procedure for decades
Nothing in celebrities lives should shock us - in sports (Wilt Chamberlain, Tiger, Ric Flair, the list is endless). Same goes for musicians, politicians, and general socialites. Anyway, you get the picture. So when Will and Jada announced they had an open marriage I really don't know what the big deal was about as that has always been the unspoken rule in Hollywood in most cases
Moral of the story: If you want a quiet normal marriage, keep a simple life, don't get rich, and stay out of the spot light. Or like that old song by Jimmy Soul, "If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, Never make a pretty woman your wife, So for my personal point of view, Get an ugly girl to marry you.." Even then there will most likely be challenges for which I can attest to... LOL
Costello once told Abbott that he would only marry an ugly girl. Abbott asked why. Costello said, "Because a pretty girl might find a better looking guy and leave him." Abbott said, "An ugly girl could also leave you." Costello, "Yeah, but who cares?"
Quote from: jimmyz on March 29, 2022, 02:33:26 PM
You think so? If only real life was like the printed word. Cut and dry. Suuuuure they both wanted it. The rest of what you wrote is just based on what you declared as given.
Have you ever met people in an open marriage before? I have. My sample size is only two couples (though I would guess this is far more than most people have encountered in their lives) and in both cases I got the sense that one of them wanted it more than the other and that the latter merely agreed to it more than wanted it themselves.
You can say "clearly" this and that but you just never know.
And if you dont know how one incident can lead up to a completely unrelated incident....then that renders anyone on this message board who has ever apologized for bad forum behavior with the explanation that "things have been stressful in my life lately" as an excuse maker. I don't think that's fair? Do you? Besides, what need is there for a logical connection when we're talking about irrational behavior? One can have a string of unconnected bad incidents that trigger some strange misdirected retaliation.
On a side note, reading through this thread, I can tell you guys are in full on draft geek mode as the analysis of this incident is rife with deep dive pin point hawk eyed looks into tells and body language. Some of you guys were born with calculators in your diapers.
The only thing I said "clearly" about was my statement that Smith is a volatile person prone to violent outbursts. I would say that is pretty clear, so I'll stand by that one.
True that we "just never know" about people, but bear in mind I am of the pretty simple view that Smith flipped out when he saw his wife's reaction to a joke about her bald head. I am not the one trying to tie it into all of these tangential marital details neither of us know much about. It is perplexing that after going on all these tangents you would accuse others of being in "draft geek mode" trying to read into this in an overly complex way. I think my take on it has been pretty straightforward.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 29, 2022, 04:09:37 PM
Costello once told Abbott that he would only marry an ugly girl. Abbott asked why. Costello said, "Because a pretty girl might find a better looking guy and leave him." Abbott said, "An ugly girl could also leave you." Costello, "Yeah, but who cares?"
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 29, 2022, 04:20:33 PM
The only thing I said "clearly" about was my statement that Smith is a volatile person prone to violent outbursts. I would say that is pretty clear, so I'll stand by that one.
True that we "just never know" about people, but bear in mind I am of the pretty simple view that Smith flipped out when he saw his wife's reaction to a joke about her bald head. I am not the one trying to tie it into all of these tangential marital details neither of us know much about. It is perplexing that after going on all these tangents you would accuse others of being in "draft geek mode" trying to read into this in an overly complex way. I think my take on it has been pretty straightforward.
I'm just making the observation that people's personal lives are complex and that this outburst does not appear to have started and ended with Rock's bald joke. You can pass judgement of Smith as a person if you want but I think we can condemn what we saw without necessarily having to add in the condemnation of the man.
The draft geek mode comment was directed at the full on film breakdown I'm seeing in this thread. It is comical and directed at the thread overall and not you directly but you can take it personally if inclined; just dont slap me.
Quote from: jimmyz on March 29, 2022, 04:42:25 PM
I'm just making the observation that people's personal lives are complex and that this outburst does not appear to have started and ended with Rock's bald joke. You can pass judgement of Smith as a person if you want but I think we can condemn what we saw without necessarily having to add in the condemnation of the man.
The draft geek mode comment was directed at the full on film breakdown I'm seeing in this thread. It is comical and directed at the thread overall and not you directly but you can take it personally if inclined; just dont slap me.
Fair enough, all good, I respect your view.
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 29, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
Daniel Jeremiah had an interesting take on this. He figures Smith got caught by his wife laughing at Rock's joke so he had to sort of make things right
He is allowed to laugh just like his wife is allowed to bang other dudes. Only fair and right
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 29, 2022, 05:05:35 PM
Fair enough, all good, I respect your view.
BTW....I do condemn what Smith did. Chris Rock did not deserve that. And anyone suggesting Rock deserved it (apparently Twitter is ablaze with comments about how Smith did the right thing) might want to consider how it might be if Smith's open hand caught Rock's jaw in a certain way as to make Rock drop to the floor in a heap on national TV; maybe even fall head first. Smith is very lucky no charges were pressed.
Quote from: jimmyz on March 29, 2022, 05:24:10 PM
BTW....I do condemn what Smith did. Chris Rock did not deserve that. And anyone suggesting Rock deserved it (apparently Twitter is ablaze with comments about how Smith did the right thing) might want to consider how it might be if Smith's open hand caught Rock's jaw in a certain way as to make Rock drop to the floor in a heap on national TV; maybe even fall head first. Smith is very lucky no charges were pressed.
I had a similar thought myself. The reaction by security and the public in general might have been a lot stronger if the blow (which appeared to have considerable force) knocked Rock to the ground and the show had to pause or cut to commercial. Or if he had caught Rock in the nose and caused a substantial nosebleed. Etc. I agree that Smith is very lucky. Rock was a total professional and handled it literally as well as any human being could have under the circumstances. If he had handled it in a more normal human way, I think they might have decided to toss Will Smith out of the building.
Quote from: jimmyz on March 29, 2022, 05:24:10 PM
BTW....I do condemn what Smith did. Chris Rock did not deserve that. And anyone suggesting Rock deserved it (apparently Twitter is ablaze with comments about how Smith did the right thing) might want to consider how it might be if Smith's open hand caught Rock's jaw in a certain way as to make Rock drop to the floor in a heap on national TV; maybe even fall head first. Smith is very lucky no charges were pressed.
Will is getting dragged as well. Shannon Sharpe did not mince any words.
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4854221428034388&id=100003397374747
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I'm pretty sure Will Smith has seen his wife cry many times over what was happening to her. Who knows how many ways he tried to console her, who knows how many times he failed. Maybe he had to remind her that she was beautiful and that she would always be beautiful, even without hair. Sorry if it seems too easy to judge a gesture like the one that took place at the Oscar ceremony while sitting behind a keyboard. Sorry if a husband loses his temper when someone laughs at his woman trying to make a petty and low irony about an illness, because yes, Will Smith's wife's is an illness. Violence is never to be justified, true, but violence is also verbal and the tongue can hurt exactly like a punch in the face.
Having said that, I have my wife also suffers a mental illness. If someone makes fun of her because of that I do exactly what Will Smith did. EXACTLY THAT.
Because nobody knows what we talk about day in and day out, how much time I spent and spend trying to understand her, trying to help her. Only she and I do.
I know I took a slightly different stance previously when the discussion started off, then I put myself into W Smith's shoes... and you know what? I understood.
Will Smith resigns from the Academy. His personal statement is in the below link.
Irrespective of anyone's views on the degree to which Smith deserves condemnation, if it wasn't clear already, I think by now we can all agree that this event definitely was not staged.
https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1510026473381507073
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And? Lol. The consequence is what actually. No more trophies??? Rich ppl problems I guess.
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Quote from: Slugs Narrows on April 02, 2022, 09:25:03 AM
And? Lol. The consequence is what actually.
Not much.
Although we're talking about someone with an ego the size of Texas, so being considered a complete XXXXX by most of the country can't be that enjoyable.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 02, 2022, 12:01:54 PM
Not much.
Although we're talking about someone with an ego the size of Texas, so being considered a complete XXXXX by most of the country can't be that enjoyable.
No such thing as bad publicity. The public has a short memory. Next week on to the next drama. The attention this has received is outrageous. Instead more attention should have focused on the assholes who gave him a standing ovation when he got his award. Anyone who stood for him that night and admonished him afterwards
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 02, 2022, 12:08:19 PM
No such thing as bad publicity. The public has a short memory. Next week on to the next drama. The attention this has received is outrageous. Instead more attention should have focused on the assholes who gave him a standing ovation when he got his award. Anyone who stood for him that night and admonished him afterwards
Will Smith banned from the Oscars for a decade.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/academy-bans-will-smith-oscars-ceremony-10-years-chris-rock-slap-rcna23461
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 08, 2022, 03:05:46 PM
Will Smith banned from the Oscars for a decade.
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/academy-bans-will-smith-oscars-ceremony-10-years-chris-rock-slap-rcna23461
Sounds fair to me
Oh and I thought SNL was hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTRng89HjJw
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 08, 2022, 03:14:31 PM
Sounds fair to me
Oh and I thought SNL was hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTRng89HjJw
I actually thought five years would be where they landed but I have no objection to 10. What he did was pretty outrageous, and if he doesn't get sued or charged with any sort of crime he should consider himself lucky. Sorry but you can't just physically assault people.
Agreed on the SNL skit; amusing.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 08, 2022, 03:21:07 PM
I actually thought five years would be where they landed but I have no objection to 10. What he did was pretty outrageous, and if he doesn't get sued or charged with any sort of crime he should consider himself lucky. Sorry but you can't just physically assault people.
Agreed on the SNL skit; amusing.
I heard reports that they asked Will to leave but he refused. If that's true, that is why I am good with 10 (5 for the slap and 5 for refusing to leave)
Staged. It was the only way to increase viewership
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 08, 2022, 03:42:04 PM
I heard reports that they asked Will to leave but he refused. If that's true, that is why I am good with 10 (5 for the slap and 5 for refusing to leave)
Those reports seem murky. Initially it was reported that he was asked to leave and refused. Then that seemed to be amended or at least differing reports came out. Sounds like it was something they discussed but it's unclear if anyone actually asked Will Smith to leave.
In any event, whether it happened or not, I don't have a problem with the decision.
Does this "ban" mean he is just not allowed to attend future shows, or does it also mean he will be ineligible to receive awards during this 10 year period?
At this point I think there is basically zero chance this was fake. Better chance in my mind that the Apollo moon landing was fake.
Awwwwww he doesn