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He's not wrong if you watch enough games that don't involve the Giants.
Ask Josh Allen how an effective Run Game helps the Oline and QB.
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He's not wrong if you watch enough games that don't involve the Giants.
I appreciate that you appreciate how bad O-line can hamper the play of great QBs
Giants were fourth in the league in rushing yards per game in 2022. So presumably that helped our O line play?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 02, 2023, 05:33:50 PMI appreciate that you appreciate how bad O-line can hamper the play of great QBs
Which Daniel Jones isn't.
Point of this thread is bad offensive line play isn't unique in the NFL.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 05:39:21 PMWhich Daniel Jones isn't.
Point of this thread is bad offensive line play isn't unique in the NFL.
How do we know what Jones can do? He's only had bad O-line play.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 02, 2023, 06:00:56 PMHow do we know what Jones can do? He's only had bad O-line play.
As do most of the QB's in the league.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 06:01:42 PMAs do most of the QB's in the league.
As Banks said, the ones who have done poorly
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 02, 2023, 06:04:16 PMAs Banks said, the ones who have done poorly
Ok so only the great QB's are ones who get great offensive line play? Is that what we're saying?
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 06:06:20 PMOk so only the great QB's are ones who get great offensive line play? Is that what we're saying?
Good O line play obviously helps QBs, no questions asked. But we have seen certain QBs play at a very high level with poor O line play. Herbert in his rookie season is one example but there are plenty of others. The two are not mutually exclusive per the hard evidence on the ground. I think it's one of the things that can separate great QBs from all the rest of them.
Difference between DJ and the greats is the great ones don't need to be propped up from every direction and then gorilla glued into place.
He is capable of playing very well if he gets the OL and WRs, coaches etc but that is a situation virtually any QB can succeed in. What can he do that others can't, and how has he demonstrated as such?
Everyone has a down week here and there, but the greats are much more consistent, and cook with what they got, and make it work more often than not
I like DJ, I wish him all the success. He was far away our best option for this season and potentially next.
I hope he proves me wrong, but between looking ordinary thus far, and not making plays availabile to him while failing to step up to top teams and look viable, I am starting to get concerned about the season as a whole, and hope (and think tonight will be) a get right game for him and the offense, I think they can put some points up against this D
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 06:10:30 PMGood O line play obviously helps QBs, no questions asked. But we have seen certain QBs play at a very high level with poor O line play. Herbert in his rookie season is one example but there are plenty of others. The two are not mutually exclusive per the hard evidence on the ground. I think it's one of the things that can separate great QBs from all the rest of them.
What's important to note those that overcome the poor O-line had good to great receivers. It's all interconnected. There are no examples of QBs overcoming poor protection and poor receivers.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 02, 2023, 06:22:06 PMWhat's important to note those that overcome the poor O-line had good to great receivers. It's all interconnected. There are no examples of QBs overcoming poor protection and poor receivers.
DJ has receivers now, some who have been wide open and he doesn't get it to him for one reason or another.
I saw the Jets vs Chiefs game in which Mahommes dis not have consistentky good pockets like he normally gets. He was something like 18-30 for 205 yards and I think 1 TD, 2 INTs and a rating lime 68. Even great QBs look average with marginal OL play.
There are maybe five to ten good offensive lines in the NFL. Most QBs have to do deal with it. Suck it up and overcome it as best you can.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 02, 2023, 06:10:30 PMGood O line play obviously helps QBs, no questions asked. But we have seen certain QBs play at a very high level with poor O line play. Herbert in his rookie season is one example but there are plenty of others. The two are not mutually exclusive per the hard evidence on the ground. I think it's one of the things that can separate great QBs from all the rest of them.
Herbert is an absolute stud. Watched him yesterday guy has a cannon, poise and instincts to make plays even with a bad offensive line. He also has decent receivers but not that I would say is an elite WR.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 02, 2023, 07:11:05 PMHerbert is an absolute stud. Watched him yesterday guy has a cannon, poise and instincts to make plays even with a bad offensive line. He also has decent receivers but not that I would say is an elite WR.
He just lost Mike Williams ans hasnt had Ekeler, he makes it work
Herbert is an extremely talented QB and a pleasure to watch. He can create so much on his own with his arm, his athleticism, and his overall instincts. The next step for him is to start building a postseason resume.
As bad as league wide offensive line play is, remember this:
Anthony Rivardo
@Anthony_Rivardo
Just how bad has the Giants' offensive line been this season?
- Daniel Jones has been under pressure on 46.7% of his dropbacks, the highest rate in the league. The league average last season was 34%.
- They have allowed 27 pressures in under two seconds, nearly 2x as many as the 2nd-worst team.
- Even when using added help (blocking 6 or more players), they have still given up pressure on 53.7% of those plays, the third-highest rate in the league. The league average is 33.5%.
- Jones has earned a 44.0 PFF passing grade under pressure, 22nd among 34 qualifying quarterbacks. However, that grade jumps to 75.7 from a clean pocket, 16th at the position.
This offensive line is historically bad. The team will not succeed this season with this level of play. Something needs to change, and it needs to change quickly.
Thank the heavens Andrew Thomas and Ben Bredeson are returning this week.
-Stats via
@PFF
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