As of today, if the Giants are one of the top five picks in the draft, what position would you draft of the three most valuable positions on the field. QB? Tackle? Edge?
With a top 2 a QB
After that I would go pass rusher
BPA period. We need good players everywhere. With 2nd pick we could get Marvin Harrison Jr, a true difference maker or trade back and stockpile picks.
Right now Giants have the 7 pick, they are a long way from TOP 3.
Getting a top QB or OT must be a priority.
All that being said, whomever they pick they need to hit on it
Quote from: Philosophers on October 09, 2023, 12:45:58 PMBPA period. We need good players everywhere. With 2nd pick we could get Marvin Harrison Jr, a true difference maker or trade back and stockpile picks.
Only position I would say no to is another Top 10 pick on an offensive linemen. IMO it would be another draft ignoring the fact that the Giants have other needs on this roster that haven't gotten near the attention in terms of draft capital that the offensive line has. Address that unit through other means.
Quote from: katkavage on October 09, 2023, 12:14:02 PMAs of today, if the Giants are one of the top five picks in the draft, what position would you draft of the three most valuable positions on the field. QB? Tackle? Edge?
Sadly, if the Giants stay true to form, they will continue to stink it up, so they are out of the playoffs, then win a string of meaningless games that push them out of a prime draft position.
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Trade up and get Caleb Williams. Start DJ in 2024 and let Caleb take over when he is ready, there won't be any need to rush him in.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 09, 2023, 12:51:06 PMOnly position I would say no to is another Top 10 pick on an offensive linemen. IMO it would be another draft ignoring the fact that the Giants have other needs on this roster that haven't gotten near the attention in terms of draft capital that the offensive line has. Address that unit through other means.
We wont have an offense without a good OL. If that draftee is the BPA, take him.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 09, 2023, 02:16:18 PMWe wont have an offense without a good OL. If that draftee is the BPA, take him.
And we won't have a good team if we continue to spend Top 10 picks on one unit ignoring the other units on the team. For offensive lines having chemistry is just as if not more important than having talent. The Giants lines of the past had one pro bowl type player on it but the group played well as a unit. Could be the issue is that the Giants are bringing in talent but not necessarily the best fits based upon what they have and what they are combining those players with.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 09, 2023, 02:21:14 PMAnd we won't have a good team if we continue to spend Top 10 picks on one unit ignoring the other units on the team. For offensive lines having chemistry is just as if not more important than having talent. The Giants lines of the past had one pro bowl type player on it but the group played well as a unit. Could be the issue is that the Giants are bringing in talent but not necessarily the best fits based upon what they have and what they are combining those players with.
It could be but as I said, BPA (what you wrote obviously needs to be taken seriously into account). I just don't understand how clearly the worst unit should be ignored as fixing OL improves team more than any other unit.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 09, 2023, 02:36:10 PMIt could be but as I said, BPA (what you wrote obviously needs to be taken seriously into account). I just don't understand how clearly the worst unit should be ignored as fixing OL improves team more than any other unit.
Again I am not ignoring it. I am looking at other ways to address it rather than the same way that has led to similar results.
I was a huge Dimes supporter, but it's time to move on.
Do whatever to grab our best QB Prospect.
Then, with our 2nd Pick go RT.
With our 3rd Pick DL or LB.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 09, 2023, 01:10:57 PMSadly, if the Giants stay true to form, they will continue to stink it up, so they are out of the playoffs, then win a string of meaningless games that push them out of a prime draft position.
Probably true...unfortunately. I expect even worse results next week when we go to Buffalo, who are coming off a loss...just like Miami was. Top teams seem to really turn up the heat after a loss and kick ass to redeem themselves...and of course, it will be on their home turf again this coming Sunday
But to your comment, we'll probably win a few games after getting through the brutal part of our schedule. We don't really have any patsies going forward, but at least it isn't against top teams on their turf or a night game...well, except the Eagles and Cowboys. We have talent, there's just no synergy and the offensive line is a mess. I believe we'll have no choice but to address the line with our early draft picks even though I think it's mostly due to coaching, but that's only my opinion
I suspect we go with BPA when draft day comes because I believe we'll be spending like drunken sailors in free agency trying to fix things. Getting a stud RT might not be available in free agency so that's a real possibility, we go with that with our first pick. Right now, it's about coaching and getting the team to play like they're capable. The team is not without talent, they're just playing like it's broken
Quote from: katkavage on October 09, 2023, 12:14:02 PMAs of today, if the Giants are one of the top five picks in the draft, what position would you draft of the three most valuable positions on the field. QB? Tackle? Edge?
We know for a fact that there'll be at least one or two quarterbacks with a top 5 grade. Then you have a receiver in Marvin Harrison Jr who will too but will there be a OT or edge player with a grade high enough to justify going that high? I'm not so sure there is as of right now. The worst thing they can do next year is reach.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 09, 2023, 02:37:51 PMAgain I am not ignoring it. I am looking at other ways to address it rather than the same way that has led to similar results.
I would welcome another way. Talent identification, coaching, building a cohesive unit that communicates well together, core strength/quickness/footwork/balance training
Quote from: Philosophers on October 09, 2023, 02:36:10 PMIt could be but as I said, BPA (what you wrote obviously needs to be taken seriously into account). I just don't understand how clearly the worst unit should be ignored as fixing OL improves team more than any other unit.
I think you attack oline in FA and get guys that have already produced. The left side is solid with Thomas, Bred, JMS, you really just need a RG, and RT.
I've said it before but it continues to be ignored. Daniel Jones will be on this roster in 2024. Period. End of story. The cap implications associated with cutting him prior to the end of next season are massive.
That doesn't mean you can't draft another quarterback, and start them immediately. You'd just have the most expensive backup ever. Given the way these things tend to go, please make peace with the fact that Daniel Jones will be a Giant next year, and very likely be the starter. If the Giants are convinced that he's not the way to go, they can move on after 2024 and draft his successor.
Given the multitude of deficient positions on the Giants, I would think trading down and/or getting future picks is the prudent move. You can augment the team around Jones for 2024 and roll the dice again. If you crap out again, at least now you're in a cap position that allows you to cut him relatively painlessly while still putting valuable pieces into the team prior to the next QBs arrival.
Quote from: zephirus on October 09, 2023, 05:15:11 PMI've said it before but it continues to be ignored. Daniel Jones will be on this roster in 2024. Period. End of story. The cap implications associated with cutting him prior to the end of next season are massive.
That doesn't mean you can't draft another quarterback, and start them immediately. You'd just have the most expensive backup ever. Given the way these things tend to go, please make peace with the fact that Daniel Jones will be a Giant next year, and very likely be the starter. If the Giants are convinced that he's not the way to go, they can move on after 2024 and draft his successor.
Given the multitude of deficient positions on the Giants, I would think trading down and/or getting future picks is the prudent move. You can augment the team around Jones for 2024 and roll the dice again. If you crap out again, at least now you're in a cap position that allows you to cut him relatively painlessly while still putting valuable pieces into the team prior to the next QBs arrival.
I don't think I've seen one person suggest that drafting a QB would mean Daniel Jones wouldn't be a Giant in 2024. It would mean as you said either to start the season or at some point would be an expensive back up QB for the Giants in 2024.
If Schoen/Daboll decide to augment the team around Jones in 2024 even if they have a Top 5 pick then they may not get a chance to draft a QB in 2025. That might end up being the decision of a new regime.
Quote from: zephirus on October 09, 2023, 05:15:11 PMI've said it before but it continues to be ignored. Daniel Jones will be on this roster in 2024. Period. End of story. The cap implications associated with cutting him prior to the end of next season are massive.
Agreed, and trading him is a non-starter even if they wanted to. Nobody is taking him off your hands with this contract (particularly the 2024 $47mm cap hit). He is unmovable.
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