We are 5th overall in the draft as of now.
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Amazing that all four of our wins are against the three teams directly ahead of us. Simply not having that second half against Arizona might have had us at 2 right now.
I don't see a credible scenario in which we move up except Washington going on a run that would put us in 4th, but not likely to get into the top 3. I'm hoping for Seattle to crash and burn the rest of the season so that our round 2 pick (that we got from them) moves up the pecking order
I wouldn't want to be Toney in the Chief's locker room tonight =))
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on December 10, 2023, 08:10:21 PMI don't see a credible scenario in which we move up except Washington going on a run that would put us in 4th, but not likely to get into the top 3. I'm hoping for Seattle to crash and burn the rest of the season so that our round 2 pick (that we got from them) moves up the pecking order
I wouldn't want to be Toney in the Chief's locker room tonight =))
5th is looking like a tough spot to be in. Could easily see the first four picks being Williams, Maye, Harrison Jr, and Daniels.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 10, 2023, 08:51:33 PM5th is looking like a tough spot to be in. Could easily see the first four picks being Williams, Maye, Harrison Jr, and Daniels.
It's certainly possible. I do think if Williams/Maye/Harrison go 1-2-3 the Giants would have to seriously consider doing whatever they had to do in order to get to 4 for Daniels provided the team with the pick doesn't want him for themselves. For now we just need to let the chips fall where they will and hope they end up in a spot where they can grab one of those 3 QBs.
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 10, 2023, 09:04:15 PMIt's certainly possible. I do think if Williams/Maye/Harrison go 1-2-3 the Giants would have to seriously consider doing whatever they had to do in order to get to 4 for Daniels provided the team with the pick doesn't want him for themselves. For now we just need to let the chips fall where they will and hope they end up in a spot where they can grab one of those 3 QBs.
Agreed although I can easily see three of the four teams in front of us (if not all four) wanting QBs. Are the Commanders really going to swap spots with us so they can stick with Howell while a division rival gets Daniels? I just don't see it. If anything they'll move down further to someoene like the Titans.
The only shot I can maybe see if the Cards, but that would require them to be fine with passing up on Harrison Jr. Good luck with that.
Think it's going to be tough to move up if this is the order.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 10, 2023, 08:51:33 PM5th is looking like a tough spot to be in. Could easily see the first four picks being Williams, Maye, Harrison Jr, and Daniels.
Harrison Jr has said he is 50-50 to go to draft. Losing to Michigan past few years is affecting his decision. With his NIL money it's not he will be poor for one season. I am not saying he stays but just passing along info.
Yup I have read that too, and I'm personally not buying it. He's unlikely to go higher than this next year, and he runs the risk of injury by staying. I just don't see it myself.
I'm not suggesting he's lying about how he feels, but I think he'll receive enough advice to go that he'll eventually do it if he hasn't decided to already.
So if you think the Giants need a QB and you think that Caleb Williams and Drake Maye go top 5, do you think you can get Jayden Daniels at pick 5 or would you need to trade up a slot or two?
Keep rooting Fields and the Bears. The better he looks the more likely the Bears pick up his 5th year option and do not draft a QB. either of their 1st round picks will be up for trade.
we should find out in the next 5 weeks if we need a QB
If it were me Id go for someone like that Hutchinson guy in Detroit
What a monster. Id give them 1st and 3rd for that guy
I dont watch much QBing in College but is one of these QB prospects a sure thing like say John Elway?
Quote from: Philosophers on December 11, 2023, 08:40:17 AMSo if you think the Giants need a QB and you think that Caleb Williams and Drake Maye go top 5, do you think you can get Jayden Daniels at pick 5 or would you need to trade up a slot or two?
I certainly would not feel comfortable relying on Daniels to fall out of the top 4 at this point. The guy had a remarkable season. All reports are that he's a great kid, and he's likely to impress in the combines/pro days.
Looking at the teams who are presently picking before us (and obviously I understand it can all change), I think the Pats and Commanders are very likely to want QBs. The Commanders are going to have a whole new regime running the organization, and while Howell wasn't terrible I don't see how they pass up an opportunity to start fresh with a top prospect. The Pats are 100% taking a QB.
That leaves the Bears and Cards.
I know some think the Bears will keep Fields and trade down one of their picks and take Harrison, but I suspect they won't. I admit it's up in the air, but I have a feeling the new GM will fall in love with one of the top two and will opt to move Fields (he will command at least a 2) and take one of these other QBs.
The Cards may stick with Murray. He'll be close to impossible to move without them eating some of the contract, and I think they'll salivate at the opportunity to get Harrison. I'm not sure what I think they'll do if Harrison is gone though. Maybe trade down.
Short answer: If we're picking 5th and we want Daniels, I think it will require a trade-up most likely. And who knows if that will be possible. Plus there are other teams that will want him too, like the Titans for example. It's going to be tough. But obviously with four weeks still to go, we don't know where we're going to be. We might lose out, but the Commanders' remaining schedule is also brutal.
Kinda hard to see the Giants winning a game for the rest of the season. Not saying they won't but the Saints are the "easiest" team we have left to play. The Commanders and Cardinals have games against the Jets and Bears respectively that will go a long way towards determining the top 10. And while the Patriots are absolutely miserable, Bill Belichick always seems to get them to play against the Jets, against whom they have 1 more game.
Hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not and the Giants don't win another game, it's not impossible to get to #2.
Quote from: zephirus on December 11, 2023, 09:12:40 AMKinda hard to see the Giants winning a game for the rest of the season. Not saying they won't but the Saints are the "easiest" team we have left to play. The Commanders and Cardinals have games against the Jets and Bears respectively that will go a long way towards determining the top 10. And while the Patriots are absolutely miserable, Bill Belichick always seems to get them to play against the Jets, against whom they have 1 more game.
Hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not and the Giants don't win another game, it's not impossible to get to #2.
I hear you and I hope you're right. The Commanders' game against the Jets is in NY, unfortunately. Obviously they could still win that, but I could easily see them losing out. Do we have less of a chance of winning in NO than they do winning in Met Life against the Jets?
Let's see what happens tonight. This game is huge for the Packers. We will be facing them at their best, although Christian Watson is out and Aaron Jones might be. Those are pretty key players.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 11, 2023, 09:16:32 AMI hear you and I hope you're right. The Commanders' game against the Jets is in NY, unfortunately. Obviously they could still win that, but I could easily see them losing out. Do we have less of a chance of winning in NO than they do winning in Met Life against the Jets?
Let's see what happens tonight. This game is huge for the Packers. We will be facing them at their best, although Christian Watson is out and Aaron Jones might be. Those are pretty key players.
DB: One thing that changed (for the Giants) yesterday. The Eagles likely will have to win both games against the Giants to win the division, or, if not to win the division, to qualify for best NFC record and the bye. So even though I never root against the Giants, if we do win, THEY will have no excuse if we beat them (like saying they were resting their players) and the win will be sweet if it knocks them out of contention for NFC-East first-place or the bye, or both. Bob
Quote from: TDToomer on December 11, 2023, 08:47:31 AMKeep rooting Fields and the Bears. The better he looks the more likely the Bears pick up his 5th year option and do not draft a QB. either of their 1st round picks will be up for trade.
I don't see a scenario where the Bears don't pick Williams.
Possible if the Giants lose tonight they move into the #4 spot, as they'd be tied with Washington for winning percentage and may have a worse strength-of-schedule.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on December 11, 2023, 11:10:35 AMPossible if the Giants lose tonight they move into the #4 spot, as they'd be tied with Washington for winning percentage and may have a worse strength-of-schedule.
Where does head-to-head record fall in the tie-breaker list?
Quote from: T200 on December 11, 2023, 11:12:28 AMWhere does head-to-head record fall in the tie-breaker list?
It only applies if there are two teams with the same record. If there are more than two teams, it is purely based on SOS.
Would like to see us do an evolving big board thread or something like that just to give everyone an idea of the top prospects.
Daniels was a day 3 prospect coming into this season so I don't think his grade jumps that much and I think most mocks will still have him going outside the top 10 as QB3.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 11, 2023, 12:32:07 PMWould like to see us do an evolving big board thread or something like that just to give everyone an idea of the top prospects.
Daniels was a day 3 prospect coming into this season so I don't think his grade jumps that much and I think most mocks will still have him going outside the top 10 as QB3.
Interesting. You could certainly be right, although he wouldn't be the first QB who wasn't on the radar the year before surge to the top 5 based on having one big season. Burrow did that, and so did Zack Wilson. Obviously Wilson is a cautionary tale, but the point is he still made the jump. The fact that Daniels is from the same program Burrow was and has a similar back-story (not a factor in his previous school) and then had one huge year may endear teams to him.
I really don't know to be honest. I think there are enough teams wanting QBs this year, and the early thoughts on the 2025 class don't seem to be great. I tend to think they'll be at a premium, myself.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 11, 2023, 12:32:07 PMWould like to see us do an evolving big board thread or something like that just to give everyone an idea of the top prospects.
Daniels was a day 3 prospect coming into this season so I don't think his grade jumps that much and I think most mocks will still have him going outside the top 10 as QB3.
I'd be stunned if he falls out of the top 10. I'd be surprised if he fell out of the top 5. If anthony richardson can go #4 overall with his college production, Daniels has to go in the top 5 too. I know he's on the smaller side but it certainly doesn't seem to have slowed him down much this season. He can easily put on some muscle and if he went to the Giants for example wouldn't have to start Day 1 anyway since Jones is immovable. I'd be over the moon if the Giants could get him whether it's at 4 or 5 or if they had to make a trade into one of those spots to do it.
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 11, 2023, 01:04:23 PMI'd be stunned if he falls out of the top 10. I'd be surprised if he fell out of the top 5. If anthony richardson can go #4 overall with his college production, Daniels has to go in the top 5 too. I know he's on the smaller side but it certainly doesn't seem to have slowed him down much this season. He can easily put on some muscle and if he went to the Giants for example wouldn't have to start Day 1 anyway since Jones is immovable. I'd be over the moon if the Giants could get him whether it's at 4 or 5 or if they had to make a trade into one of those spots to do it.
Height is the most important aspect of QB size in my opinion (because you can't do anything about it). Daniels is listed as 6'4". Even if that is an inch or so higher than reality, I think it is fair to say his height is not an issue. Weight/bulk can be augmented. And if he's 210 right now that's not really a disaster. Lamar was 208 at the combine, and his size has never been an issue.
If Daniels busts or disappoints, I don't think it will be because he is too slight.
Will we be able and/or prepared, to cope with the possibility, perhaps even the likelihood, that Schoen/Daboll Co. may not draft a QB with their 1st pick no matter who, when, and where?
Cheers!
Quote from: Painter on December 11, 2023, 02:03:49 PMWill we be able and/or prepared, to cope with the possibility, perhaps even the likelihood, that Schoen/Daboll Co. may not draft a QB with their 1st pick no matter who, when, and where?
Cheers!
I think we can. Life will go on. The Giants will continue to flounder in mediocrity and we can continue this diatribe next year, same time, same station.
Quote from: katkavage on December 11, 2023, 02:21:11 PMI think we can. Life will go on. The Giants will continue to flounder in mediocrity and we can continue this diatribe next year, same time, same station.
It all starts with the Qb, you either have one or you don't. We don't currently and until we do it will be really hard to grade how good/bad our line and skill players are doing.
Quote from: Uni on December 11, 2023, 11:26:54 AMIt only applies if there are two teams with the same record. If there are more than two teams, it is purely based on SOS.
I dont think that is the case for the draft. Think is is strictly SOS.
The Giants are now picking 8th
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Quote from: coggs on December 11, 2023, 10:29:19 PMI dont think that is the case for the draft. Think is is strictly SOS.
https://www.nfl.com/standings/tie-breaking-procedures
If Giants decide to not draft a QB due to play of DeVito or some other reason and want to build around existing QB and they end up picking 8th or so, I think several prospects come into play:
1) Brock Bowers - he is Jeremy Shockey 2.0 without the baggage. Given oft-injured Waller and mediocre athleticism of Bellinger, he slots right into being a productive starter.
2) Defensive Player - sorry but I don't see one this high at this stage, even Jared Verse from FSU.
3) WR - here is also where I see the Giants targeting. With Harrison gone, I can see them taking Keon Coleman, Brian Thomas or Malik Nabers here. Given play of both Robinson and Hyatt, adding that third WR weapon could make sense given strength of board.
3) OT Prospect - I do not believe the Giants are ready to love on from Neal so believe if Alt, Latham, etc are abailable, the Giants pass.
4) Trade back - this may be a very likely scenario given WR depth plus other positions like Guard where they can address later. More picks the better for an oft injured team.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 12, 2023, 12:24:12 PMhttps://www.nfl.com/standings/tie-breaking-procedures
This is a mess to slog through (and organized poorly), but I believe the operative language comes from the "Tie-Breaking Procedure For Selection Meeting" section. It states that the draft order of non-playoff teams is in reverse-standings order (
i.e. worst is first), then notes:
QuoteIf ties exist in any grouping, such ties shall be broken by figuring the aggregate won-lost-tied percentage of each involved club's regular-season opponents and awarding preferential selection order to the club that faced the schedule of teams with the lowest aggregate won-lost-tied percentage.
... which is a fancy way to say strength-of-schedule. If you have a perfect tie in SOS, then you go on to other tiebreakers (which are convoluted).
Quote from: Philosophers on December 12, 2023, 12:43:52 PMIf Giants decide to not draft a QB due to play of DeVito or some other reason and want to build around existing QB and they end up picking 8th or so, I think several prospects come into play:
1) Brock Bowers - he is Jeremy Shockey 2.0 without the baggage. Given oft-injured Waller and mediocre athleticism of Bellinger, he slots right into being a productive starter.
2) Defensive Player - sorry but I don't see one this high at this stage, even Jared Verse from FSU.
3) WR - here is also where I see the Giants targeting. With Harrison gone, I can see them taking Keon Coleman, Brian Thomas or Malik Nabers here. Given play of both Robinson and Hyatt, adding that third WR weapon could make sense given strength of board.
3) OT Prospect - I do not believe the Giants are ready to love on from Neal so believe if Alt, Latham, etc are abailable, the Giants pass.
4) Trade back - this may be a very likely scenario given WR depth plus other positions like Guard where they can address later. More picks the better for an oft injured team.
Good stuff.
Curious - what do you not like about Verse as a high first round prospect. Guy seems like a pure stud to me and he has been great in both his years at FSU. I also kind of like that he is a bit of a late bloomer (started his college career at Albany and then got picked up by FSU and crushed it there). I'd be a little leery if he were just ok in his first year at FSU and then good this past year, but he put up big numbers both years and was on the radar going into this season. I'm not saying you're wrong, but what do you not like about him?
I'd be wide open to taking Bowers if we're not taking a QB and are picking something like 8th or 9th. That guy has been pop-off-the-screen elite to me since I laid eyes on him. I think he is a franchise-altering talent in the Gronk/Kelce mode.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 12, 2023, 01:14:30 PMGood stuff.
Curious - what do you not like about Verse as a high first round prospect. Guy seems like a pure stud to me and he has been great in both his years at FSU. I also kind of like that he is a bit of a late bloomer (started his college career at Albany and then got picked up by FSU and crushed it there). I'd be a little leery if he were just ok in his first year at FSU and then good this past year, but he put up big numbers both years and was on the radar going into this season. I'm not saying you're wrong, but what do you not like about him?
I'd be wide open to taking Bowers if we're not taking a QB and are picking something like 8th or 9th. That guy has been pop-off-the-screen elite to me since I laid eyes on him. I think he is a franchise-altering talent in the Gronk/Kelce mode.
If the Giants don't or can't go QB in the first round based on their draft position, I stick to defense and/or trade down for more picks. I would not take a top ten receiver unless he is Harrison Jr and I believe he will be a top five pick. I also would not spend a high pick on a tight end or offensive line. The offensive line payroll will be costly in the future if they do and take away from other needs.
Quote from: katkavage on December 12, 2023, 01:19:05 PMIf the Giants don't or can't go QB in the first round based on their draft position, I stick to defense and/or trade down for more picks. I would not take a top ten receiver unless he is Harrison Jr and I believe he will be a top five pick. I also would not spend a high pick on a tight end or offensive line. The offensive line payroll will be costly in the future if they do and take away from other needs.
I have to study these other receivers Phil mentioned more closely. I'm familiar with them and have watched them play, but I want to get a better understanding of just how good they are no matter where the various mocks are putting them at the moment.
There have been years where taking the 2nd and 3rd wide receiver off the board in the top 10 has been a good move (see Jaylen Waddle and Devonta Smith). I'm not closed to the idea, although I generally agree that this is a position where you can usually find good ones in the second round, and we have two second round picks. Looking at this last year, guys like Tank Dell and Puka Nacua were mid to later round picks, while the top WR in the class (Quentin Johnston) has been underwhelming so far.
It's a funny position in that it is a premium position in terms of pay scale, but there are frequently good ones available beyond day one and sometimes even day two. So the Giants should not (and I think will not) force the issue just because they desire a specific position.
I have read EVERY post today, some twice and I didnt know which one to reply to so I picked this one--I have so much respect for all of you and the varied opinions but I have a favor to ask
I would love to hear how all of you think we are going to get the elite QB you all (at least most of you, including me)want when we are picking 10-12 because that's about where we will be picking.
Are we so immune to the word "playoffs" that it is a forbidden word? Have any of you really spent any amount of time on the remaining four games and how they might play out and determine if the Giants can now be in the playoff talk legitimately?
I am not saying that they are at this stage a playoff team or definitely beyond that but todays NFL is what it is--Do any of you realize how 'MATHEMATICALLY" last nights victory changed the playoff talk? Cant we spend a little time on that today? Do any of you understand that we can LOSE next week to the Saints but still be in the hunt and win next week vs the Saints and LOSE to the Rams and it is over? Then we can IMHO talk about draft position and how we are going to get the elite QB we all pine for
I totally understand that the vast difference in ages between me and many of you makes it that much easier to talk about the future--Many of you will have many many more seasons to hope and die for a elite QB. I am more focused on the now--and the now for me TODAY is that 7th spot in the seeding. What would some of you think if I told you that a very wild scenario would put the Giants in the 6th spot? Crazy huh??
So I am seriously asking for you knowledgeable fans to help me in figuring out how do we get that elite QB when we are picking close to middle of the pecking order?
Thanks
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on December 12, 2023, 02:49:58 PMI have read EVERY post today, some twice and I didnt know which one to reply to so I picked this one--I have so much respect for all of you and the varied opinions but I have a favor to ask
I would love to hear how all of you think we are going to get the elite QB you all (at least most of you, including me)want when we are picking 10-12 because that's about where we will be picking.
Are we so immune to the word "playoffs" that it is a forbidden word? Have any of you really spent any amount of time on the remaining four games and how they might play out and determine if the Giants can now be in the playoff talk legitimately?
I am not saying that they are at this stage a playoff team or definitely beyond that but todays NFL is what it is--Do any of you realize how 'MATHEMATICALLY" last nights victory changed the playoff talk? Cant we spend a little time on that today? Do any of you understand that we can LOSE next week to the Saints but still be in the hunt and win next week vs the Saints and LOSE to the Rams and it is over? Then we can IMHO talk about draft position and how we are going to get the elite QB we all pine for
I totally understand that the vast difference in ages between me and many of you makes it that much easier to talk about the future--Many of you will have many many more seasons to hope and die for a elite QB. I am more focused on the now--and the now for me TODAY is that 7th spot in the seeding. What would some of you think if I told you that a very wild scenario would put the Giants in the 6th spot? Crazy huh??
So I am seriously asking for you knowledgeable fans to help me in figuring out how do we get that elite QB when we are picking close to middle of the pecking order?
Thanks
Dumpster Dan
Personally, I don't see how they get into the Elite QB range from outside the top 4.
I'm not immune to the playoff talk but if they win next week than that chat will grow, although it does mean they likely have to beat the eagles twice. Which seems massively unlikely.
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on December 12, 2023, 02:49:58 PMI have read EVERY post today, some twice and I didnt know which one to reply to so I picked this one--I have so much respect for all of you and the varied opinions but I have a favor to ask
I would love to hear how all of you think we are going to get the elite QB you all (at least most of you, including me)want when we are picking 10-12 because that's about where we will be picking.
Are we so immune to the word "playoffs" that it is a forbidden word? Have any of you really spent any amount of time on the remaining four games and how they might play out and determine if the Giants can now be in the playoff talk legitimately?
Hope this helps.
I am not saying that they are at this stage a playoff team or definitely beyond that but todays NFL is what it is--Do any of you realize how 'MATHEMATICALLY" last nights victory changed the playoff talk? Cant we spend a little time on that today? Do any of you understand that we can LOSE next week to the Saints but still be in the hunt and win next week vs the Saints and LOSE to the Rams and it is over? Then we can IMHO talk about draft position and how we are going to get the elite QB we all pine for
I totally understand that the vast difference in ages between me and many of you makes it that much easier to talk about the future--Many of you will have many many more seasons to hope and die for a elite QB. I am more focused on the now--and the now for me TODAY is that 7th spot in the seeding. What would some of you think if I told you that a very wild scenario would put the Giants in the 6th spot? Crazy huh??
So I am seriously asking for you knowledgeable fans to help me in figuring out how do we get that elite QB when we are picking close to middle of the pecking order?
Thanks
Dumpster Dan
Dan,
Obviously one does not just "go get" an elite QB. I don't feel that has been suggested anywhere. I think every fan here understands that's not how it works.
What a team that is without a clear elite QB can (and, in my opinion, should) do is be on the lookout for QB prospects they have a high opinion of and be prepared to take them if and when the opportunity avails itself. That doesn't mean that opportunity will avail itself every year, and I don't think that was suggested. Did you read a post suggesting we should force a pick on a QB we don't have a high rating on?
I will just speak for myself here: if there are no QBs available to the Giants that they believe have potential to be near-elite or elite in this league, then we
should not take one. I have said that in other threads (multiple times in recent days), but I am clarifying it again just so there is no doubt.
I would just add a final point: you don't need to necessarily be picking in the top 5 to get a QB who ends up being elite. It obviously helps your cause significantly, but it is not an automatic prerequisite. So there is that to keep in mind as well.
ED and DB
My apologies--I guess I need to read the posts yet again another time
The title of the thread is we are currently picking 5th--and most of the talk was about a QB so I connected the two--I guess I shouldnt have. Are you telling me DB that there hasnt been talk on here about getting that elite QB or else the Giants are going nowhere?
And ED just an FYI--I believe that the Giants can split (agree a massive order) with the Eagles and make the playoffs
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on December 12, 2023, 03:06:15 PMED and DB
My apologies--I guess I need to read the posts yet again another time
The title of the thread is we are currently picking 5th--and most of the talk was about a QB so I connected the two--I guess I shouldnt have. Are you telling me DB that there hasnt been talk on here about getting that elite QB or else the Giants are going nowhere?
And ED just an FYI--I believe that the Giants can split (agree a massive order) with the Eagles and make the playoffs
Dumpster Dan
Dan,
Again I will only speak for myself.
Yes, there is plenty of QB talk in this thread. No, I did not say we are "going nowhere" without an elite QB. I said I think it very difficult to win Super Bowls without elite or near elite QB play in the modern NFL. I think it is fair to say that the result of the last 10-15 years attest pretty clearly to that.
I believe a struggling franchise can still get materially better without an elite QB. And there is no reason not to take that path if one is not available.
I have consistently said that I don't want the Giants to draft a QB unless they are high on one who is available to them. The likelihood of that being the case clearly decreases if we're picking 10th-12th versus 3rd-5th, but I don't think it precludes it.
I hope the above, along with the previous post, helps clarify my views.
It is extremely hard to win a championship in the NFL without an elite QB, full stop. I want the Giants to win every game, but I am not sure what else there is to talk about with fans that cannot acknowledge this very simple fact about the NFL.
Is Daniel Jones an elite QB? Is there anyone on the roster that is? If not, then the Giants need to get one. There are a couple ways to get a QB, some more risky than others. Until the Giants have their franchise guy, the discussions on how to get one will continue.
Going to the playoffs this year, which is an extreme long shot, just to get housed again by the Cowboys or the Eagles because we cannot score accomplishes nothing for the long term although it will be fun in the short term.
Quote from: Bob In PA on December 11, 2023, 10:02:11 AMDB: One thing that changed (for the Giants) yesterday. The Eagles likely will have to win both games against the Giants to win the division, or, if not to win the division, to qualify for best NFC record and the bye. So even though I never root against the Giants, if we do win, THEY will have no excuse if we beat them (like saying they were resting their players) and the win will be sweet if it knocks them out of contention for NFC-East first-place or the bye, or both. Bob
The Eagles are clearly not as good as they were when we last played them and they dominated. I am not in the camp of rooting for losses early in the season and that train has already left the station so a win against the Eagles would be so sweet. But, right now, we should be thinking of playing the Saints on the road and the Saints are a team that needs a win.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 12, 2023, 12:24:12 PMhttps://www.nfl.com/standings/tie-breaking-procedures
Let me re-phrase, 1st tie-breaker for draft is SOS.
3. If ties exist in any grouping, such ties shall be broken by figuring the aggregate won-lost-tied percentage of each involved club's regular-season opponents and awarding preferential selection order to the club that faced the schedule of teams with the lowest aggregate won-lost-tied percentage.
4. If ties still exist, apply the Divisional, Conference or Interconference tie-breaking methods, whichever is applicable.