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The Giants have the 6th pick in this years draft. Let's say all QBs are gone and no other offensive or defensive player can be drafted at pick 6. Which player do you draft at pick 6?  I ask because Malik Nabers and Brock Bowers could be options at 6 and imo, are favorable to the players mentioned. Which one would offer the best ROI for the Giants as they are now?

This draft. .. 1st optiontrade up and pick Harrison.

This team is screaming for a difference maker and i.m.o. Harrison is a better (much) guarantee than any QB I have seen.

I realize this won't be a popular opinion BUT I have NO faith in our current front office or Daboll to judge talent.

2nd option.... trade out of the first round shrewdly, collect a bunch of picks and pray.

I'd prefer Rome Odunze or Keon Coleman to either of those guys. If there isn't a quarterback we love available at 6 I'd see if we could drop a couple spots and pick up additional picks.

I think there are much less top shelf TEs in this draft than there are WRs.  You can draft Bowers at 6 and still get a top X WR in the 2nd round.  Xavier Leggette or Tony Franklin could be available.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 14, 2024, 03:36:14 PMI think there are much less top shelf TEs in this draft than there are WRs.  You can draft Bowers at 6 and still get a top X WR in the 2nd round.  Xavier Leggette or Tony Franklin could be available.

What's the value of a pass catching tight end versus a true X receiver in the modern NFL? If you can get an elite X receiver you really have to take him and I think this draft has four of them.

What's with all the silly meaningless polls?

Based on my early looks at the top players I think Bowers and Odunze fit us better (will block in run game, physical players) than Harrison or Nabers IMO. I'd be happy with either at 6 or a small trade back, pending more tape watching.

Nabers and it's not close.

As for the hypothetical, if we're talking about 2014-2016 OBJ and not factoring in off-field, then I'm taking OBJ over any TE ever. Imagine if the Giants passed on OBJ in the draft and he somehow made it to the Saints that year. Working with a prime Drew Brees he would've rewritten the record books.

What good is having a great TE or WR if we have no one to throw them the ball?

No QB available, move the hell up and get one, or else we are damned with Jones, and mediocrity, forever.

Quote from: LennG on January 14, 2024, 03:51:06 PMWhat good is having a great TE or WR if we have no one to throw them the ball?

No QB available, move the hell up and get one, or else we are damned with Jones, and mediocrity, forever.

Therein lies the rub. If the board plays out like everyone thinks the top 3 quarterbacks will be gone before we're on the board. There are bound to be a couple promising guys who will drop to the late first, early second. Nix, McCarthy and Penix Jr are guys that come to mind. If Dabs is the quarterback whisperer we all think he is grab one and develop him. Jones is likely gonna be the starter next year just based on his cap hit alone. 

Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2024, 03:43:38 PMWhat's with all the silly meaningless polls?

This is a Giants board where we discuss Giants topics. The Giants are not in the playoffs so the draft is my topic of interest. I am just trying to gauge the fans thoughts on value of elite WR vs Elite Te. The Giants will be in a spot to grab the Elite WR or elite TE.

Quote from: sooners56 on January 14, 2024, 04:43:44 PMThis is a Giants board where we discuss Giants topics. The Giants are not in the playoffs so the draft is my topic of interest. I am just trying to gauge the fans thoughts on value of elite WR vs Elite Te. The Giants will be in a spot to grab the Elite WR or elite TE.

How does asking people to vote between two players who were drafted 10+ years ago, weren't even in the same draft class, relative to our 2024 draft?

Taylor Swift is pretty.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2024, 04:51:16 PMHow does asking people to vote between two players who were drafted 10+ years ago, weren't even in the same draft class, relative to our 2024 draft?

You may just want to skip over this post and find a post more to your liking. But anyways, I thought it was obvious but I guess not. OBJ and Kelce are known commodities which is why I used them as examples. I feel like Nabers is an OBJ clone and Bowers is a Kelce clone.

Quote from: madbadger on January 14, 2024, 03:41:27 PMWhat's the value of a pass catching tight end versus a true X receiver in the modern NFL? If you can get an elite X receiver you really have to take him and I think this draft has four of them.

Ask Mahommes that question as their TE seems to work wonders for that offense.

I think it is another great option for a QB.  There are always more options than what we think when we look at the draft.

Quote from: sooners56 on January 14, 2024, 05:13:37 PMYou may just want to skip over this post and find a post more to your liking. But anyways, I thought it was obvious but I guess not. OBJ and Kelce are known commodities which is why I used them as examples. I feel like Nabers is an OBJ clone and Bowers is a Kelce clone.

I thought it was a fairly straightforward question. If Nabers reaches his ceiling (OBJ) and Bowers reaches his ceiling (Kelce), which would you rather add to next season's offense. It's a legitimate question.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 14, 2024, 05:16:39 PMAsk Mahommes that question as their TE seems to work wonders for that offense.

I think it is another great option for a QB.  There are always more options than what we think when we look at the draft.

Bowers is strictly a pass catching tight end. Kelce adds value in the running game. Not saying that tight ends are unimportant but that the best X receivers add more value than the best tight ends. The franchise tag for either position confirms how the league values each position.

Quote from: madbadger on January 14, 2024, 06:22:01 PMBowers is strictly a pass catching tight end. Kelce adds value in the running game. Not saying that tight ends are unimportant but that the best X receivers add more value than the best tight ends. The franchise tag for either position confirms how the league values each position.

I agree about X WR having more value but I think Bowers will be a decent blocker and has a greater likelihood of being a top than Nabers does.  I say that because I am leas sure Nabers won't become a diva.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 14, 2024, 08:55:59 PMI agree about X WR having more value but I think Bowers will be a decent blocker and has a greater likelihood of being a top than Nabers does.  I say that because I am leas sure Nabers won't become a diva.

Agree on Nabers, that's why I prefer Oduze and Coleman. I think both of those guys pair perfectly with Robinson and Hyatt while bringing something neither posses. I wouldn't complain about Bowers but I prefer the other two.

My best scenario, considering we need to upgrade at least 5 new starters, preferably through the draft, we should trade down 5 to 10 spots to add another 2nd round pick, plus one other pick. With the mid 1st, we should get OT JC Latham and with the extra second we can probably get WR Ladd McConkey. Let's say the other pick is a 5th; we could use that to get a very underrated QB Michael Pratt or TE Ben Sinnott.
Three great upgrades instead of one.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 14, 2024, 05:16:39 PMAsk Mahommes that question as their TE seems to work wonders for that offense.

I think it is another great option for a QB.  There are always more options than what we think when we look at the draft.

OTOH, so did Tyreek Hill.  IMO, football is a game of individuals, not positions.

I think it's important to consider the value not in raw terms of each player's contributions but rather in terms of net contribution.  That is the contribution of each player minus what an average player in that position would produce.

That is why I voted for Kelcy; he is just so far ahead of the pack at TE (compared to OBJ at WR) that his value to me is clearly superior.

I do believe the Giants are in a great spot at 6.  There is no top shelf talent drop off.

As Madbadger wrote, they should land a very complimentary player potentially at WR to line up with what they already have in Robinson and Hyatt.

My one hope is that they dont swing for a QB who they reach for and flips when they could have landed a coveted producing stud player. 

Is this question in relation to Brock Bowers?

Curious to get others' opinion on him. I do not see a special player but I appear to be the only one. I'd be dubious spending a top 10 pick on him. He's listed at 6'4" but I'll be curious to see his measurements at the Combine.

To me, he looks like kind of a run-of-the-mill move TE in the NFL.

Quote from: 4 Aces on January 15, 2024, 09:54:04 AMIs this question in relation to Brock Bowers?

Curious to get others' opinion on him. I do not see a special player but I appear to be the only one. I'd be dubious spending a top 10 pick on him. He's listed at 6'4" but I'll be curious to see his measurements at the Combine.

To me, he looks like kind of a run-of-the-mill move TE in the NFL.

The question basically boils down to would you rather have a stud WR or a stud TE. I believe both will be available at pick 6 (Nabers, Odunze, etc) or Bowers. I would pick the WR, Nabers or Odunze, over the stud TE (Bowers)