Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on December 08, 2023, 08:37:54 AMHe just needs to be respectful when he comes to someone else's house. Pretty simple.

I 100% stand by everything I wrote here. If a person puffs their chest out for no reason, I will respond to it how I see fit.

You are welcome to remove any post of mine that is offensive or inappropriate in any way. My comments were not and will not be removed because there is nothing offensive or inappropriate to how I responded to someone claiming the Packers will "suffer" and warning that our players should fear being laid out.

I laugh at that person puffing his chest out with nothing to back it up. I will continue to laugh hysterically at him, you, or anyone else who responds in kind.

Have a wonderful day, I will not be changing anything. Thank you.

Enjoy the game! I know I will.

OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!

Quote from: BluesCruz on December 08, 2023, 06:01:35 AMHey I said the Pack may win.....I made no 31-6 predictions.  Gosh the Packers are 6-6........ a steamroller if there ever was one LOL

Your team is young.  Populated with average to better than average young players on a roll
You  started the year miserably but eventually having a good young QB you
started to dominate.  There are no established superstar Packer players Im aware of.  You are doing it as a team..

Guess what we are a mirror image.  A young team with a good QB
On the same trajectory as the Packers although our re-birth may have come to late to make a run.  You rush the passer well as do we.  To date, you cannot stop the run nor can we

You have a host of good receivers...ditto here

Its going to come down to who's defense comes to play and which QB has a great night

31-6?  Lets revisit that prediction Tuesday morning....after Tommy Cutlets has had his big National coming out party.  Will he be a hero or a zero?

Can Mr Love take the heat Wink throws at him?

The answer to those questions will dictate the result

Are you ok? Like for real, are you mentally all there? I have concerns. I also think you may be quite young. Like 11. If so, let me know, the convo ends. I do not correspond with children on the internet.

If you read my original post in this thread, I picked the Packers to win 22-20. And then I said I may change the final score if Aaron Jones, Jaire Alexander, and Christian Watson are all active Monday.

Yes, having those 3 pieces playing makes the Packers significantly better. Aaron Jones and Jaire have been out for several weeks. Christian Watson has missed time as well. It's looking like Jaire will play, but Jones and Watson are still question marks. Sorry kiddo, the Giants are not beating the Packers even if all 3 don't play. And if all 3 play, then yes, 31-6 is indeed a strong possibility.

If you want to delusionally think the Giants are superior to the Packers in ANY way, then knock yourself out.

I never said the Giants suck. I said it will be a good game. I think the Giants are well coached. The Packers are more well coached.

I am not even going to mention DeVito with J-Love, because there is no comparison there. Devito may not even start the week following the Packers game. Daboll has said it's a fluid situation. There is no fluid QB situation in Green Bay.

It's two different worlds.

Enjoy the game! I know I will.

Quote from: BluesCruz on December 07, 2023, 04:20:00 PM31-6 Packers??  OMG We are a born again team
The D is blasting ball carriers.....they will punch it out a lot.  Lots of nasty tackles, INTs,
loose balls.  watch out for your return guys.  We got two big fines last week for laying them out.....On Offense DeVito will literally place a long pass on a dime.  He is fearless and will wait til the last second to unload. He does not throw INTs or drop the ball on the ground like Jones did

I dont know what happened but since DeVito came in we are a very different team.
Wink Martindale is calling the D shots perfectly too.  The Packers better come with the right attitude or they will suffer.

No dis-respect intended.  DeVito is a very confident rookie.  Perhaps because he played 5 years in college at a very high level and is 25 yrs old.  He does not play like a rookie

Who is this clown puffing his chest out at?

Ok, we went from Giants fans saying this doesn't look like a real football team, to this person saying the Giants are "born again" and elite now. With a future Hall Of Famer at QB. I like that you are confident, but...


I better warn the Packers. They should fear coming to New Jersey. Jesus, thanks for the heads up guy.

I liked the: "The Packers better come with the right attitude or they will suffer."

Ok tough guy...slow your roll and dream more about your born again elite team. Too funny.

Again, the Packers respect all their opponents but fear none of them.

Thanks for the warning though.

Aaron Jones and Jaire Alexander practiced today. Would be HUGE to get either or both of those guys back this week. Obviously playing without your #1 RB and #1 CB has not been advantageous.

Christian Watson did not practice, along with Quay Walker and Darnell Savage.

We will see what tomorrows practice brings. LaFleur said he can't say right now if Christian will be back soon or later. Hamstrings have kept him out of several games this year and last.

I am posting these injury updates here, because they affect peoples predictions for the game. I actually would for sure change my final score if I get word that Aaron Jones, Jaire Alexander, and Christian Watson are all playing.

22-20 Packers may go to 31-6 Packers.

Quote from: Bob In PA on December 07, 2023, 08:27:50 AMI'm going with 16-14, but I can't decide which team will have the 16. lol

Giants kicker is not their usual reliable guy, so our usual home field kicking advantage is neutralized.

In fact, I think we might be on the short end regarding ALL aspects of special teams, so I'm going to take a wild guess and predict that the outcome of the game will turn on a special teams blunder by the Giants.

Bob

No "blunders" allowed coming off a bye.

The Packers have a rookie kicker this year. Big leg and we love him, but he is a rook and capable of missing an extra point or FG here and there, which is annoying at best.

Did Gano hurt his knee before the season? Odd that he missed 35% of his kicks before going on IR.

Quote from: Torus34 on December 07, 2023, 07:36:23 AMAt this writing the Packers are about 6 point favorites over the Giants. Now, I respect the bookies and the odds, but sometimes the team on the short end of the stick hasn't gotten their heads around a loss. The Bengals were 9 point underdogs against the Cougars this week past, remember?

This poor old country mouse will enjoy watching Mr. Thomas DeVito, win or lose. The Jersey Kid has provided real excitement in the last two games.

Go flag-free, Big Blue!

Pick the damn game and give a score.

No one gives a damn about the kid who's Mommy does his laundry.

Just kidding, but yeah pick the game and give a score.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 06, 2023, 03:17:23 PMafter the Giants get their asses kicked by GB.

Hey now, don't keep talking about an "ass" kicking. You know the drill. The Packers respect all their opponents, but fear none of them.

The Giants are well coached, and have a quality roster. They present a lot of challenges. The Pack will have to play a great game to have any chance to win.

Wait, what? Playoffs? Are you kidding me? Playoffs!? I just hope we can win a game.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 06, 2023, 09:49:20 PMYou just said earlier in this thread that you need to study Schoen more before you have an opinion of him, but now you're saying you know exactly what he is or is not going to do in the draft? Give me a break.

Obviously you're more than entitled to have your own opinion of what any team should or should not do in the draft or with any player, and you may or may not end up being right, but you do not know what the Giants are going to do in the first round or any round of the draft.

Yes, I needed more info on Schoen and I got it through further investigation, and in speaking to a friend of mine who knew him while he was a scout with the Dolphins. Still knows him, but not near the contact he used to have.

No, I don't "know" anything the Giants will do with certainty, but the more I look at it, the more I BELIEVE they will not draft a QB high in the first round.

I didn't even realize I used the word know.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 06, 2023, 08:59:30 PM5 years of horrible qb play but don't give up on him because he is a good guy?

Lastly we've spent more draft capital than any other team on the oline. They've got to be given a chance to develop instead of just throwing more stuff at the wall and see
 5 years of horrible qb play but don't give up on him because he is a good guy? There are around 3,000 players at the start of camp, if the Giants held onto "good guys" that were horrible at their positions then we'd be worse off than we are now. Jones has been horrible, all the beat teams in the league stay they way because they get rid of mistakes or horrible players quickly and don't double down.

I didn't say the only thing Daniel has going for him is being a high a quality individual. I can tell some of you think he has no talent, nor the ability to be a quality starter in this league. Great, that is your opinion. I do not believe it's the head coaches and GM's opinion. They matter, you and I don't in this equation. I'd go with them over a disgruntled fan on the internet, sorry.

And if Daniel doesn't get the job done in 2024, you have a QB you drafted high 2nd round, that has a year of development under his belt. We also don't know who Daboll and Schoen are high on that is coming out this draft. It may be a cat that slips to pick 36 or whatever slot the Giants end up with.

You have dreams of drafting some future hall of famer in the Top 10 of the first round. Basically not willing to settle for anything else. Good luck with that.

To be against building the lines further first and drafting a QB high in 2nd round is ridiculous.

Sorry, but fanboys dreaming are those that think all the future Hall of Fame QBs are gone after pick 15 of the first round. I have faith in Daboll's ability to develop a QB.

Sometimes an unbiased view from outside is a more clear view than the view of a fan base that is sick of not having the guy at QB.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 06, 2023, 07:15:06 PMI never said I would personally want them to start the rookie QB in year one. The OP was a pure hypothetical scenario. In terms of what I myself want, all I said don't wait until the second round to draft a QB if there is one they are high on in the first round.

Every GM with high credibility will tell you that the worst time to draft a QB in the first is when you need one. The Giants don't have the luxury to draft a QB in the first. The Giants are not a QB away from being good. Gotta build that OL to an elite level first.

The more I think about it, the more I know the Giants will not take a QB in the first. And they shouldn't.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 06, 2023, 06:48:05 PMI appreciate your thoughts. A few comments:

(1) They pretty much have to stick with Jones in 2024, whether they want to or not. He has a $47mm 2024 cap hit, and he is coming off an ACL. Plus he was awful this year before he got hurt. Nobody is taking him off our hands. So he'll be a Giant in 2024 no matter what. Obviously that doesn't mean they have to play him, but he'll for sure be on the team.

(2) If the objective is to have a QB ready for the 2025 season, I don't see why the Giants would wait until the second round to take one. QB is as premium a position as it gets, and you're not always in a position where you have a real chance to draft a franchise one. Since it is now abundantly clear Jones is not the long term answer, if they like one of the options available to them in the first round, I highly doubt they pass on that. With that said, if they are not sold on any of the options available to them, then I would agree that they'll pass in the first round and draft another position. But I don't think they're going to wait around if there is a QB there that they are high on.

(3) Daniel Jones definitely has high character. That doesn't mean he's the long term answer at QB though. He will be going into year six, and he has only had one year in the NFL without significant injuries, including two serious neck injuries and an ACL tear (among other things). Moreover, he has not played well. He has had more than enough opportunity to prove his worth, and it hasn't happened. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with his character, but high character alone isn't enough to be a winning QB.

(4) Schoen and Daboll are highly collaborative. Daboll will definitely be heavily involved in the decision process, and there will be a consensus between him and the GM for them to pull the trigger. This is a stated requirement by ownership.

Ok, so the variable we don't know is if Daniel will have a quality 2024 season. He needs a good OL, which is why I want them to draft OL early. Who says a 2nd round QB can't be developed? And who says Daniel is going to suck or get injured in 2024? If you have given up on him, fine. I don't believe Daboll and Schoen have. If Daniel is good in year 6, you have your QB for the next 5 or 6 years, and that cat you wanna spend a high first round pick on never plays for the Giants.

Throwing a QB in the fire year one can ruin him. Not everyone is CJ Stroud. More are Pat Mahomes, Jordan Love, & Aaron Rodgers. Draft & develop, not draft, ruin and then fire everyone in 2 years. Having to start completely over in 2026.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 06, 2023, 05:57:16 PMGotta give the coaches time, they've had dumpster fire after dumpster fire at Qb. Let a new Qb settle in and give them time to grow together. I think you give them 2024 and 2025 and if we aren't in the playoffs in 2025 you reevaluate.

Well, what if you don't draft a QB early in the 2024 draft? Then what?

I really don't think Daboll is the issue. I need to study the GM/Shoen and that whole operation more before I give a full opinion of him. I need more info on he and Daboll's relationship, and how they work together.

If you do draft a QB, I want Daboll heavily involved in that decision. Daboll will be molding the kid and you might as well fire Daboll now if you're not going to let him hand pick the QB.

But again, no one knows if the Giants will take a QB with their first pick in the draft. Maybe Schoen has some hair brained idea to bring in Kirk Cousins this offseason or some crap like that. Who knows.

Daniel Jones sounds invested and determined to be ready to go by camp. I like Daniel. I don't think you walk away from a high character individual like that cat just yet.

I'd draft a OL with the first pick, then a QB after that. I would plan to roll with Daniel for 2024. And the QB that Daboll hand picks you have ready for 2025 if 2024 is a disaster with Daniel.

No one is waiting until 2026 like some of you are suggesting.

Quote from: T200 on December 06, 2023, 05:01:58 PMI don't want them to lose but wouldn't be upset if they did. I just want them to look like a real NFL team.

Giants 30
Packers 24

I like that you said you don't want them to lose. I added that many will say that to try and kind of take the steam out of that losers mentality early. NFL players and coaches don't tank, and I respect fan bases that don't either.

I have not watched a lot of Giants football this year, but you are saying this season is the worst you have ever seen them look? I assume you don't say they don't look like a real NFL team every year.

I know many here will say they want the Giants to lose for better draft position, but let's make some picks and give the final score anyway.


The Packers need this dub and I think they get it, but not in blowout fashion.

Packers 22 Giants 20

Yes, I think the Giants will keep it close for the majority of the game, and get a late game meaningless TD.


What say you?

Quote from: TDToomer on December 06, 2023, 04:17:44 PMSorry Mannings. I need a real booth crew when I watch my Gmen. I miss plays when I watch the Manningcast because you can barely hear the crowd and there is sometimes no set up for the next play. It's fun to watch when you don't have a dog in the fight.

Yeah, it's fun to watch for like 10 minutes once. As soon as they bring in the special guests it turns into just 3 people stumbling not to talk over each other while trying to say something witty.

I believe this is the last season the Mannings will be doing it. ESPN really wanted it to work, but they forgot that casual fans may tune in a couple times, but not regularly, and diehards get annoyed with idiots caring more about trying to be funny than the game.