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Quote from: LennG on December 11, 2023, 07:31:51 PMLook back on what TV shows were on, say in the 80's. You had variety shows all over the place, yet today nothing like this would ever be possible. Take a show like Ed Sullivan which WAS the show for so many years. The format was great, have a little of everything to appeal to everyone. Today, it might be canceled after a couple of weeks.
As I said in a previous post, those silly comedies, were always silly to me. Take a show like Happy Days, right up my alley. Once Fonzie got too big the appeal of the show started to wane, at least for me.
Funny is funny though as with the Honeymooners. It is about as silly as can be, but the actors made it real and the anticipation of certain lines, just made us want to keep watching. For me, I can say the same thing about The Odd Couple. Great cast and perfectly cast.

The Honeymooners is timeless.

Quote from: T200 on December 11, 2023, 06:51:24 PMYou know people, Ed??? 

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draft

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Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 11, 2023, 04:13:16 PMAt pick 4 you are guaranteed a franchise altering player whether good or bad.

Maye, Williams, Harrison, Daniels, but beyond pick 4 there is a steep decline.

A lot of fans are going to be surprised how this draft plays out. Don't be surprised if the Giants pick Olu or Alt.

Quote from: Bob In PA on December 11, 2023, 03:38:10 PMRich: The extra playoff spots are a joke.  All those teams should be disbanded or sent to the arena league. lol

But it's the last gasp of football for many fans. lol

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 11, 2023, 03:40:26 PMFrom what I have seen, teams can live off a past really good/great coach for a stretch after they leave, but sooner or later, if the replacement isn't as good, it will show up.

Absolutely. In some cases change is good.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 11, 2023, 01:36:32 PMIn my personal opinion, the caliber of TV (ie TV series and miniseries) has absolutely skyrocketed in the last 25 years or so. Shows that were huge in the 70s and 80s (Mash, Charlie's Angels, Happy Days, etc) would be flops today. Even Cheers would be IMO. And I don't think the opposite would be the case. Meaning, I think a 1970s audience would like today's top television series more than the other way around. Obviously this is subjective, but given it's human nature to tend to think the older stuff (in any area of life) was better than the way they do things now, I think it's noteworthy how much better TV has gotten.

A big part of that is the reality that there are now so many more options for TV. When I was a kid, before cable you basically had 13 channels total - that was it. And then even when cable first came out, it was pretty basic. Now, with so many more options, the industry has invested a lot more into it and the caliber of content it puts out.

Meanwhile, movies have declined significantly versus what they were in the 90s and earlier. There are still great movies being made, but they are way fewer and farther between nowadays. When I was a kid in the 80s and early 90s, I used to go to the movies on weekends usually two or three times a month, and there were always tons of solid options. Now you're lucky if you get two or three truly very good American-made movies a year.

So I think it's noteworthy that the two mediums have sort of flipped spots. Whereas TV was considered the lower level medium before the turn of the century (roughly), and movies were considered much better, I feel like the opposite is the case now. It is interesting how it has all developed.

I had the same thoughts about TV shows. I think the audience has evolved and what we thought was funny in the 60's, 70's and 80's seems either overdone, sophomoric, stupid, or inappropriate. We may have loved the characters and the show was slotted when nothing competed.

Shows like Green Acres, Petticoat Junction, Beverly Hillbillies, and Gilligan's Island to name a few are unwatchable now (as Rich commented). Shows like All In The Family aren't funny and younger viewers would be in shock. Cheers which was a big draw is like vegetable lasagna now and man whores like Malone are dinosaurs. Taxi still has some iconic episodes. Seinfeld is still a good show to watch reruns. Characters like Iggy and Cramer make those shows, like Curly did for the 3 Stooges. I used to love Laurel and Hardy and Stan is still funny to me. Abbott and Costello, not really.

Remember the comedy of Andrew Dice Clay? Or Eddie Murphy or Richard Pryer raw? All inappropriate now. Jerry Lewis was and still is stupid to me.

As for Movies, I think the advent of Streaming Services and their successful series have drawn a lot of Movie talent their way. It's also created opportunities for some fine actors who would have been limited to character actor roles. That's where the money flows. People are more comfortable viewing from the comfort of their homes on their own time schedule. Now that's all on the cusp of change as they are unprofitable and some will fall by the wayside or consolidate as price increases are tested.     

They are surely missing Gannon and Steichen.

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1734040949934690558?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 11, 2023, 12:17:47 PMRich,

I fully agree, but I would just point out that we have seen this behavior from other superstar athletes as well. Brady did this all the time (bitched about officiating and berated refs directly), and so did Michael Jordan. I'm not defending it. I don't like it either. But it's not totally unfamiliar.

Quote from: Bob In PA on December 11, 2023, 11:54:18 AMRich: The only way to answer the question in the title, IMO, is to ask the Collinsworth observations.

WHY are receivers dropping balls?  They're the same ones who didn't drop balls for many years. Getting old?

WHY all the costly penalties, especially by the OL? It's not the same group but it's close to last year.

My own guess... nothing lasts forever in the NFL, and maybe their time is up. Even Brady's time expired.

Also, Chiefs & Eagles are IMO the most STUDIED teams, so that could be at least part of the answer.

Bob

PS. This may not be the thread to raise this but, even though I picked Cowboys for the Super Bowl this year back in April/May/June, I've come to believe they're somehow stealing the opponents' defensive calls during home games. Why? Because their successful "guess rate" is too high to be just random. They virtually always call exactly the best play to run against the defense, and unless Dak has suddenly become a savant, there is no other explanation.

Wow, Bob. Great insight man. Seriously. 

I wonder if that audible that cost them the game had some weight in this decision.

I think DD is on to something. TT had broken and displaced Ribs. For all the armchair players out there calling him soft for not playing, some players would have gone on season-ending IR. He fought to come back and money had to be one of the incentives.

Quote from: BluesCruz on December 11, 2023, 11:35:58 AMOk I will humbly go to the back of the line and try that
Ed

I think Mahomes and Reid have been thinking they have had bad calls go against them all season. This was a pushback. Reid especially surprised me because he has to know he's going to get fined for what he said, someway or somehow. That said, Kadarius Toney is like Kryptonite. He's often injured and he kills them in critical situations when he is playing. He's a jinx.