Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 20, 2022, 05:19:14 PMIt was a decent drive, perhaps he deserves some credit not for that drive but maybe a few throws. But how did that drive end? Did he throw a TD or punch it in with his legs? I can't credit him an entire drive if he was not the one that sealed the deal at the end of it.

That drive was roughly half of his production the whole game. Coupled with 13 total points on offense, and none of those scoring plays involving him, what does that say about his performance every other drive and the game as a whole? Does he really deserve as much credit as you think he does?

Wait a sec... so Jones basically drives down the entire field. Makes a huge 4th down throw. And since Barkley takes it from the 2 yard line - he doesn't deserve much credit?

That's really really harsh. I am sorry.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 20, 2022, 05:20:26 PMBrisset has Identical stats as Jones despite playing in 3 less games and will be 15 million a year cheaper... How's that not option..

Baker Mayfield who you called the epitome of average has significantly better numbers his first 4 years than Jones and its not even close... sooo does that make Jones below average?

Cooper rushes stats were almost identical to Jones in that span so by your definition Jones would suck?

Heinicke is basically on par with Jones since Heinicke started..

So again your argument is flawed as all those Qbs have put up numbers better or comparable than Jones and can be had for significantly less, if Jones is just a two year rental anyway why wouldn't we pay less for the same production and build out the roster?

You always completely ignore surrounding casts. So posting stats has very little meaning. Not one of them plays with an equal or worst cast than Jones.

Jimmy G coming off major injury and is 32. No

Mike white has 1 good and has superior weapons and still struggles.

Brisset has never won anywhere he went and again - superior weapons

Mayfield - epitome of average and a locker room cancer

Rush sucks.

Heinicke? No thanks. Again - plays with superior weapons.

None of these guys are better than Jones so taking a step backwards makes no sense.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 11:39:07 AMTBF and I am not saying you but it has been those who have advocated for Daniel Jones that have used the advanced stats rather than the detractors.

I get it. Like I said, I am not a fan of that or PFF or DVOA, or any other because it usually has flaws that dont tell the whole story. All are tools.

Quote from: Fletch on December 19, 2022, 11:29:41 AMJust going from the early Sunday games which I still contend all the QBs were better --and I don't use QBR -- since all I need is 2 eyes , an objective attitude , and not to mention yards and TDs

Texans / Chiefs
Davis Mills QBR 95.9 ; 2 TDs incidentally
Mahomes QBR 125.7 336 yards; 2 TDs

Steelers / Panthers
Darnold QBR 119.4 225 yards 1 TD
Trubisky 108.9 QBR 179 yards

Jets/Lions
Zak Wilson QBR 99.9 317 yards 2 TDs 1 int
Jared Goff QBR 95 252 yards 1 TD

People use advanced stats for other positions because it is the only way to counter the false narrative that Jones is this good QB who is being held back to his receivers or oline play.

 

Jones QBR this week - 74. Which was 4th best in the league.

Now, I am not a fan of QBR whatsoever, but many have used advanced stats to advocate players at other positions. So if we are consistent with that notion, Jones was one of the better QBs this week.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 19, 2022, 10:44:50 AMSo you thought the Qb played amazing football last night? To say he managed the game is not degrading him, it's simply saying he managed... what else can you say about a 160 yards lol?

Did I say he played amazing? If so please point that out. If not, please do not put words in my mouth and make stuff up. I appreciate it.

        

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 08:50:48 AMPointing out the Giants haven't been a high productive offense this season just like last season is not strictly targeted at one player but rather the entire unit as to play calling/scheme not being the issue.  It's lack of overall talent.

There were two posters who specifically mentioned Jones and his stat lines last night and this morning as a means of degrading his performance.

Quote from: T200 on December 19, 2022, 08:36:57 AMHe's entitled to his opinion.

My point is that regardless of the ranking of Jones in the eyes of fans, he's an important part of the team and he's shown that the Giants can win with him at QB. There is no tried and true formula for winning a SB. It's Schoen's and Daboll's job to find a winning recipe. I don't have a problem if Jones is a key ingredient. I don't have a problem if they decide to move on from him. But bashing this guy left and right is comical at this point.

Thats a really good point. I have no problem people saying we need to upgrade. I would actually tend to agree. But he has been an integral part of a lot of our wins.

Quote from: T200 on December 19, 2022, 08:30:17 AMThey won. With Jones as QB and without a stacked team.

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Some of you would be complaining after a SB win.     

The poster is on record from another board saying Mike Glennon is better than Joe Burrow.       

It's amazing after a big time win last night, we still have to read posts degrading the QB. And I was told I was the one with the agenda....

Quote from: Fletch on December 18, 2022, 08:52:34 PMWhatever I've just been waiting for the Giants to get into the victory formation and sneak it before every half , and that was post Garrett. Have they even really put in any kind of effort to score before a half all year?

That was a pretty good drive, don't you think? Jones making money throws all drive too.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 18, 2022, 07:35:29 PMSpeaking of Jason Garrett.  At what point do people apologize for blaming him for the offenses troubles the prior two seasons?

The giants struggle this year has nothing to do with Garrett's ineptness.

I didn't see teams lining up to sign him this off-season.

Quote from: Fletch on December 18, 2022, 01:35:36 PMI'm watching nfl network at the gym and for those who don't k is just show clips of games happening right now.

We should start a running thread of throws NFl QBs can make that Daniel Jones can't . So far I have seen dak prescott and Darnold of all things not to mention Jared Goff as well.

A fourth year qb the giants have which half the fan base is in love with and wants extended . Boggles the mind

It boggles my mind why we haven't stayed with Glennon and Jason Garrett. Right?!?