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Browns lose to Giants, 13-10

New York Giants 13, Browns 10
Yankee Stadium, New York

December 14, 1958     By Chuck Heaton
Plain Dealer Reporter


The Browns will pay a return visit to Yankee Stadium next Sunday afternoon.
Pat Summerall, veteran place-kicking specialist, made certain of that today with a 49-yard field goal with two minutes and seven seconds of play remaining as the New York Giants defeated Cleveland, 13-10, before 63,192 chilled spectators.

This second New York victory of the season over Paul Brown's club tied things up in the National Football League's Eastern Division.

So the Browns and Giants, both with 9-3 season records, must play off while the Baltimore Colts, already winners in the west, await their Dec. 28 opponents.


Recovery Ruled Out

The long boot by Summerall, through the swirling snowflakes that made a Christmas-card setting, made the Browns seem to have things locked up.

Charlie Conerly had thrown down the middle to Frank Gifford. The speedy halfback, who had passed seven yards to end Bob Schnelker for the lone Giants touchdown in the last quarter, caught the ball and then dropped it as he was hit by linebacker Galen Fiss.

Walt Michaels, Cleveland defensive signal caller, fell on the pigskin. So obvious seemed the fumble that the New York defense began dejectedly to troop on the field and a loud moan went up from the Giant partisans.

Charley Berry, the baseball umpire who was serving as head linesman, saw it differently. He called it an incomplete pass. The Giants retained the ball for the fourth down, and Summerall, who has been ailing all week with a severe charley horse, got another chance.

Big Pat, obtained in trade from the Chicago Cardinals, seemed destined to wear the game's horns after missing a 33-yard field goal in that same period. He had kicked one of 46 yards and missed from the same distance the first half.


Browns Dominate

It was a weird climax to a game dominated by the Browns through three quarters.

Jim Brown started things off with a 65-yard touchdown burst on the Browns' first play from scrimmage. Milt Plum, who went the distance at quarterback, faked the flip to Lew Carpenter and handed off to big Jim.

Brown ripped up the middle without having a hand placed on him. He simply ran away from the secondary.

That was the 18th touchdown of the season for the pro sophomore from Syracuse and equaled Steve Van Buren's National League mark.

Jim carried the ball 26 times and totaled 148 yards, but the Giants defense managed to stop him and get the ball when time was running out in the last quarter.


Groza Misses 2

Lou Groza kicked a 23-yard field goal in the second period for the Browns' other points, but The Toe also missed three. He was wide from 37 yards out in the first period and failed from 38 yards in the second.

Then, with only a couple of seconds left, Groza tried to pull the Browns even with a field-goal attempt from the Cleveland 45.

The 55-yard attempt fell some 10 yards short.

Twice in the first half, which ended with Cleveland leading, 10-3, the Browns were within steps of touchdowns.

Ray Renfro shook free to take a second quarter pass from Plum for a 51-yard gain. The flanker from North Texas seemed to have a step on Jim Patton, the safety man, but was hauled down on the New York 20.

The Browns couldn't move the ball in for the touchdown and settled for Groza's 23-yard field goal.

Then in the closing seconds of the first half, Bobby Mitchell fielded Don Chandler's punt and took off down field. The rookie from Illinois had everybody beat but the punter.

Trying to maneuver, Bobby slipped on the icy field and Chandler nailed him at the New York 31. Time was left for a field goal and Groza missed from the 38.

About midway through the third quarter came another controversial play. It was fourth down and eight yards to go on the Giants 12 when Cleveland lined up in field-goal kicking formation.

The ball was centered to Bobby Freeman, the holder for Groza, who tried to sweep his own left end.

Linebacker Harland Svare, who blocked Jim Martin's late field-goal try in New York's victory over Detroit last Sunday, wasn't fooled by the fake place kick. He tackled Freeman for a loss to the 21, and Giants took over.

It was an unusual call for the customarily conservative Paul Brown to make.

The Browns totaled 298 yards to 234 for the Giants, who won a 21-17 decision last month in Cleveland. Paul Brown's team clicked for 140 passing and 158 running.

Conerly, veteran signal caller from Mississippi, hit on 10 of 29, but it was Gifford who came through with two big aerials in the Giants' touchdown drive.

Twice Cleveland lost the ball on fumbles and both times the Giants, an opportunist eleven this season, cashed in for points.

With the Browns leading, 7-0, in the second quarter on Jim Brown's 65-yard run. Lew Carpenter fumbled on the Cleveland 39. Jim Katcavage, former University of Dayton gridder, recovered for the Giants.

The Cleveland defense, which did a fine job just about all afternoon, contained the Giants. So Coach Jim Lee Howell settled for Summerall's 46-yard field goal.

At the start of the second half, the Browns received and drove all the way to the Giants 12. That march lasted 12 minutes, but proved to be fruitless when Freeman's run from field-goal formation was stopped.

Early in the fourth period, still leading, 10-3, the Browns had the ball on their own 47. Plum was hit making the handoff, fumbled the ball and Andy Robustelli recovered on the Cleveland 45.

First play saw Gifford hit Kyle Rote for 39 yards. It's a play that has worked several times against Cleveland with the Californian rolling to the right and firing back to Rote down the other sideline.

Gifford lost a yard back to the seven and Conerly's pass into the end zone was incomplete. Then Gifford took the pitch from Conerly, moved to his right and found Schnelker, former Bowling Green star, for the touchdown. The ball just missed the outstretched hands of Kenny Konz, who made several fine saves during the game.

As Groza had after the Cleveland touchdown, Summerall added the extra point and the game was tied at 10-all with over 10 minutes left.

It was time enough for Summerall's field-goal miss, Deschaine's short punt, Berry's controversial call, Summerall's winning field goal and Groza's almost impossible final try to tie the score. That would have been as good as a victory for the Browns.

So it's back to Yankee Stadium next Sunday for the Browns with a head-to-head game for the Eastern Division title.

A nice story from Steve Politi of an all but forgotten feat.

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/politi/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1197179698259180.xml&coll=1

Nice to watch

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b5-UtXL1WZg

Thought it might have a certain nostalgia value, as well as it's chance for those that only heard of it, to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=090pEcveMIE

Thanks to Afan we now have an easy reference list:

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With so many new people, it seemed like a good idea for people to get to know one another.   Here is a list of questions, answer the ones you would like to answer.

1)  What part of the Country do you live in?

2)  How long have you been a Giants fan?

3)  What do you do for a living?

4) Anything else you would like to mention about yourself?

Also if you modify your profile (the profile button on the top) and put in your date of birth, your birthday will appear on the board's calendar.

NFL History   August 28, 1955
The sudden-death overtime rule was used for the first time in a preseason game between the Rams and Giants at Portland, Oregon. The Rams won 23-17 three minutes into OT as quarterback Norm van Brocklin guided a 70-yard scoring drive

He has this trip down memory lane (at least some people's memories) in his latest online offering.

In 1961, the Giants were being led by a new head coach, Allie Sherman. They had a great season, led as they were by a newly-obtained veteran quarterback named Y.A. Tittle and a newly-obtained veteran wide receiver, Del Shofner.

The running game was ordinary at best, featuring aging Alex Webster, younger but equally plodding Phil King and a little-used future star named Joe Morrison.

The Giants approached the final game of the season with a 10-3 record (they only played 14 games in those years), tied with the Philadelphia Eagles, a situation that seems to have always been in place, you know?

The nightmare was that "Big Red" (Webster) and "The Chief" (King) both came up hurt for the final game against the Cleveland Browns in Yankee Stadium. What to do? What to do?

Sherman had to sell his idea to his assistant coaches, but ultimately they agreed. He was going to use the short pass instead of the run; sideline passes, mostly, three and four yards downfield. It didn't matter much if any additional yardage was gained. The completion would set up a second-and-seven, second-and-six, and suddenly the Giants were in a passing mode.

It worked. The game ended in a 7-7 deadlock -- "a tie for Christmas," as one of the local newspapers so cleverly headlined -- while the Eagles lost and finished at 10-4 to the Giants' 10-3-1.

It was on to the NFL championship game, a 37-0 horror show against the Packers in Green Bay, but a championship game nonetheless.

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Interesting article

Dear Doctor:
I'm a Giants fan and like the game worn helmets as well as the ones you have made up as shown on the GIANTS SECTION OF THE NFL AREA. These bring back great memories, especially Gifford. One of the Giants helmets you don't see much is the 1975 model with the open type of lettering. It seems that it was used and then discarded right away. Is there any kind of reason for that or story about it? I like your Larry Csonka helmet and story too. Thanks.
Nathan, Long Island


Dear Nathan,
The New York Giants are one of the NFL's most popular teams and the sale of their apparel and related items confirms this fact. Giants fans used to be known as "button down" conservative types in the 1950's and 1960's primarily because the businesses in the New York metropolitan area were among the first in the nation to realize the value of and understand the business producing impact of providing NFL game tickets to corporate partners. Giants fans took a beating in the media for not caring as the sold out Polo Grounds and Yankee Stadium were often populated not by the season ticket holders each game, but a continuously changing sea of businessmen who utilized their tickets for business purposes rather than the wholehearted support of their home team. "Madison Avenue" as the advertising business in Manhattan was called, was the first to utilize football players in advertising campaigns and members of the Giants were the obvious first choice picks. Frank Gifford was the first or certainly one of the first NFL players who made an equivalent income from his modeling career, relative to his NFL salary. Even with truth in the above statement, Giants fans are as vociferous and loyal as any other in the league and they have had great teams and great players to cheer for including the members of the Charlie Connerly-Y.A. Tittle-Frank Gifford-Sam Huff era that produced many division and NFL/World Championships and many Pro Football Hall Of Fame Players. Unfortunately, the team hit a tough patch from the mid-sixties to the early 1980's. Study of the Giants records indicate that many of those years produced .500 ball or finishing records in that area but relative to the championship years and the expectations of their fans, the perception was that the Giants were not doing well at all.

Former Giants great and Pro Football Hall Of Fame member Andy Robustelli had been extremely successful as a Connecticut businessman following his playing career. He had started a number of business ventures prior to the conclusion of his career and had an excellent track record. Giants owner Wellington Mara asked Robustelli to come on board to try and resurrect the structure of the franchise in December of 1973 following a terrible Giants season that found them with a 2-11-1 record. Fan discord was enhanced by the necessity of playing the final five of seven home games in New Haven, CT at the Yale Bowl after vacating Yankee Stadium. Robustelli, as Director Of Operations began to dismantle and then rebuild the team with new head coach Bill Arnsparger but they stumbled to a 2-12 1974 record. With projected occupancy of the new Giants Stadium in the New Jersey Meadowlands not expected until the 1976 season, the Giants were scheduled to play all of their 1975 home games at the Jets' home field, Shea Stadium. Feeling that an entire "new look" was necessary, a brand new practice facility was constructed at Pace College and this was followed by new uniforms. As Robustelli said, "Next came the uniforms, beginning with the helmet that for years had the familiar 'NY' on the side. The Giants needed to be a little more modern in their look without departing entirely from the idea that we still were the New York Giants...we solicited plenty of designs before settling on the modernized version of 'NY' which we used when we played in Shea Stadium. Of course, the 'GIANTS' logo became standard when we moved into Giants Stadium in New Jersey in 1976."








Robustelli also added two one-inch white flanking stripes to augment the standard one-inch red center stripe that had adorned the Giants' navy blue helmet for so long. The reaction of the media and fans wasn't quite what was expected. Unfortunately the fans truly disliked the new-look "NY" logo and if the move to the New Jersey stadium had not been planned, with the dissolution of any logo associated directly with New York or New York City, it probably would not have been more than a one-year decal so great was the fans' negative reaction. The white flanking stripes remained and the new logo that was introduced when the move to the Meadowlands occurred was a long lasting one. The stylized "GIANTS" logo was used for years until the "NY" was reintroduced in 2000. A terrific question that allowed us to wind down memory lane for a while, thank you.
Truly yours,
Dr. Del Rye

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The NFL channel had a special on this.  I understand the top 3 were-

1)  the 80s Saints
2) Pittsburg's Steel curtain of the 70s
3) The Giants with LT, Banks, Carson and Reasons

Maybe I am a homer, but I think that the Giants group is the best in history.  LT is the greatest LB, ever to play the game, and adding Carson and Banks makes them unbeatable.

Just watched the NFL network's special on the 1986 NY Giants (with narration from Sims, Taylor and Parcells)-  Some of the highlights and facts

It was 30 years since they had won a championship at that point

Parcells started as Taylor's LB coach

Taylor had great respect for Parcells, but little respect for Simms (at the time)

They talked about the 83 season where Parcells picked Brunner over Simms.  Simss wanted to be traded after being benched.  The move was prompted by three injury marred seasons by Simms.

After the disaster of 83, they replaced half the roster (I remember many of those jetisoned, were injury prone).

They relived Landetta's wiff of the 85 play off game against the Bears (Perhaps the only time I ever saw a punter miss the ball)

86 was when Taylor's drug problems became public. 

In the loss to the Cowboys, early in the season, Taylor let Hershel Walker run right past him for the score.   Taylor admits to being too tired to stop him.

For those that talk about Coughlin's side line antics, should see and hear the 86 Tuna on the sideline

Taylor ended the season with 20 sacks and league MVP

Against the Saints Bravaro suffered a broken jaw.  He got it wired shut and returned to the game to lead them to victory and never missed a game (even though he was eating through a straw).

In the first half the season they had a dominant defense, strong running game and a terrible passing game.

Simms was actually being booed at home games at mid season

Parcells used to curse out Simms on the sideline

Parcells helped Simms out of his tailspin, by telling him (before the Viking game) to just do it.  Don't be afraid to take chances and be the QB he knows he can be.

It was the 4 and 17 pass completion (Simms to Bobby Johnson in the Viking game) that helped to turn the team into something special


Got to see the great interception and 80 yard TD run by DE Martin in the first Denver game

There was the great Bravaro run in the Monday night SF game.  The Giants were down 17 nothing, and Mark makes one of the great runs after the catch in the history of the game.  He carried tons of guys on his back.

in the last game they had to beat a weak Green Bay.  The were up 24 nothing but Green Bay came back to with in 7 by the half.  At half time Parcells dumped garbage can into the defense in the locker room.  He told the defense they belonged with the rest of the trash.   The team came out like no buddies business.  That garbage can dump partially inspired the gatoraide dunk.

Before the SF playoff game Parcells got on the offensive line.  In their first meeting the Giants had only managed 13 yards on the ground.  Parcells started calling the linemen "club 13".  He got the line so fired up they manhandled the 49ers in that play off game.  That was also the same great game where Jim Burt knocks out Montana and Taylor intercepts the ball for a TD.

The Redskins were the team played for the conference championship.  The winds were whipping at 40 mph. 

Lendetta makes up for the wiff by having a great punting performance in these terrible winds


In the Super Bowl the Giants played poorly in the first half, but were only down by one at the half.  The second half the Giants were on fire.   Simms had the MVP performance and perhaps the greatest game by any SB QB.  He was 23 of 25 with 2 dropped passes.

Simms orginally didn't want to do the Disney promotional spot ( You just won MVP, now what are you going to do?  Go  to Disney Land).  Elway had no problem doing it.

Great to see the Bravaro drop that ends up in McKonkey's hands again

Parcells credits 20 or 30 Giants players as making his career.

The first coach I remember, as a fan, was Perkins.  I remember being less than happy when he left the Giants to coach Alabama (replacing the great Bear Bryant).

REGULAR SEASON

Coach Years W L T Pct
Robert Folwell 1925 8 4 0 .667
Joe Alexander 1926 8 4 1 .667
Earl Potteiger 1927-28 15 8 3 .635
LeRoy Andrews* 1929-30 24 5 1 .817
Benny Friedman 1930 2 0 0 1.000
Steve Owen 1930-53 153 100 17 .604
Jim Lee Howell 1954-60 53 27 4 .655
Allie Sherman 1961-68 57 51 4 .527
Alex Webster 1969-73 29 40 1 .421
Bill Arnsparger** 1974-76 7 28 0 .200
John McVay 1976-78 14 23 0 .378
Ray Perkins 1979-82 23 34 0 .404
Bill Parcells 1983-90 77 49 1 .610
Ray Handley 1991-92 14 18 0 .438
Dan Reeves 1993-96 31 33 0 .484
Jim Fassel 1997-2003 58 55 1 .513
Tom Coughlin 2004-Present 25 23 0 .521
     


POSTSEASON     

Coach Games W L Pct
Steve Owen 10 2 8 .200
Jim Lee Howell 4 2 2 .500
Allie Sherman 3 0 3 .000
Ray Perkins 2 1 1 .500
Bill Parcells 11 8 3 .727
Dan Reeves 2 1 1 .500
Jim Fassel 5 2 3 .400
Tom Coughlin 2 0 2 .000

*Replaced by Friedman and Owen after 15 games in 1930.
**Replaced by McVay after seven games in 1976.

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