Big Blue Huddle

https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1737842617289961481?s=20

I thought Pat's comment about has Joe Schoen's drafts done enough to backfill the natural loss of talent, was perhaps the most important question and issue.

2022   1   Kayvon Thibodeaux   5   DE   
2022   1   Evan Neal   7   OL         
2022   2   Wan'Dale Robinson   43   WR   
2022   3   Joshua Ezeudu   67   OL   
2022   3   Cordale Flott   81   CB         
2022   4   Daniel Bellinger   112   TE   
2022   4   Dane Belton   114   DB         
2022   5   Micah McFadden   146   LB   
2022   5   D.J. Davidson   147   DT   
2022   5   Marcus McKethan   173   OL   
2022   6   Darrian Beavers 182   LB


2023   1   Deonte Banks   24   DB         
2023   2   John Michael Schmitz   57            
2023   3   Jalin Hyatt   73   WR   
2023   5   Eric Gray   172   RB   
2023   6   Tre Hawkins   209   CB         
2023   7   Gervarrius Owens   254   DB   

Free agent and trade acquisitions

Darren Waller TE Trade
Boogie Basham DE Trade
Isiah Simmons LB/S Trade
Bobby Okereke LB
Tommy DeVito QB
Tyrod Taylor QB
Matt Breida RB
Isaiah Hodgins WR
Parris Campbell WR
Mark Glowinski G
Justin Pugh G
A'Shawn Robinson DL
Rakeem Nunez-Roches DL
Nick McCloud DB
Jason Pinnock DB

Quote from: TDToomer on December 21, 2023, 08:46:50 AMHow do we often hit on our FA signings? I see lots of misses.

I was referring to the 2000s, not the 2010s or 2020s

Quote from: files58 on December 20, 2023, 03:06:24 PMIf you gamble, lay the 12.

I don't gamble and I am not even sure what "lay the 12" means. 

https://x.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1737561005302194646?s=20

Quote from: T200 on December 20, 2023, 02:30:34 PMI see it a little differently, Rich. Did the change, which affects all 32 teams, hurt the Giants or did the Giants' refusal to adjust to the change hurt them?

Prior to the change, there were about 8 teams (give or take) up routinely up against the cap, and there were about an equal number 10s of millions below the cap (in real spending).  The rest of the teams were somewhere in the middle.

After the change, all the teams were within 10 percent in terms of cap spending, and the quality free-agent pool dried up.

The only way to really adjust was to do everything better than you had before to make up for the advantages lost.

In the 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement, the NFL enacted a real salary cap floor.  Before this, teams had to meet 85% of the cap, but that counted things like not likely to be earned bonuses.  So there were teams that were routinely 10s of millions of dollars below the cap.  The Giants were among a handful of teams that was always up against the cap limits. 

 With the new agreement:

Much of the conversation about the league's salary cap has centered around the cap floor that all teams must spend to. Per Andrew Brandt of NFP, that cap floor will be 99 percent of the cap for the first two years of the deal, then drop to 95 percent for the next eight. More importantly, in those final eight years, a cash floor of 89 percent will be enacted - this will prevent teams from tying up cap space in bonuses and incentives, and force teams to spend 89 percent of the cap in actual dollars to its players.


So, this hurt the Giants in two ways.  First, it removed a natural competitive advantage.   Second, it reduced the pool of quality players in free agency (the Giants often hit on their FA signings). 

So, with these advantages removed, the Giants had to compete on a level playing field where their mom-and-pop organizational values (loyalty above production and professionalism) combined with subpar medical (again a family loyalty thing) were simply not up to the task.





https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/7/24/2291147/new-nfl-cba-revenue-sharing-salary-cap-floor

who are you taking?  Why?

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 20, 2023, 12:12:08 PMThe New York Football Giants, come here and we'll ruin your career!

Sadly, I think this has been true for many players.   

https://x.com/CollegeSportsO/status/1737296360699748499?s=20

https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1737523775858524537?s=20

I asked Chris Long what he wishes the football media thought about more. His answer should be required watching for all of us who fires off takes. "Context matters. It matters in every situation and for every player. People know that but they still power right through it."

https://x.com/bykevinclark/status/1737133913913405615?s=20


https://x.com/RandyMueller_/status/1737483100001575039?s=20

https://x.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1737283187758276734?s=20

https://x.com/Patricia_Traina/status/1737518684363460980?s=20