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Malik Nabers is "a player the Giants covet," and he is their pick at 6 in
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's latest 2024 NFL Mock Draft:

"The Giants want a quarterback. The problem is that they're priced out of the top four selections. The Bears, Commanders and Patriots have zero interest in moving down. The Vikings simply have more at their disposal to trade up for McCarthy. The Giants roster, as Joe Schoen said at his pre-draft news conference, is more than a player or two away. They can't start giving away an abundance of their draft capital for one position, even if it's a quarterback. They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.

Nabers, multiple sources told SNY, is a player the Giants covet. Most around the league expect him to be New York's pick if they can't get a quarterback (more and more unlikely by the day)."

The full top 10 here: http://on.sny.tv/FvTGpFw

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Giants Reported Top 30 Visits

QB Drake Maye
QB Jayden Daniels
QB JJ McCarthy
QB Bo Nix
QB Michael Penix Jr.
QB Spencer Rattler

RB Trey Benson

WR Marvin Harrison Jr.
WR Malik Nabers
WR Rome Odunze
WR TJ Palmer

TE Ben Sinnott

OL Joe Alt
OG Cooper Beebe
OT Jordan Morgan
OT Goivanni Manu

CB Kool-Aid McKinstry
CB Andru Phillips
CB Chigozie Anusiem
CB Chau Smith-Wade

Edge Dallas Turner
Edge Adisa Isaac
DT Johnny Newton
DT Maason Smith
DT Pheldarius Payne
DT Kristian Boyd

LB Tyrice Knight

S Jaden Hicks

*Theo Johnson, Max Melton, Chop Robinson visited and others may have been Local Day visits.
*Possible that OT Patrick Paul & RB Audric Estime visited as well

Theres a golden rule in #NFLDraft reporting not to buy into info you hear the last week, when misdirection is highest. Im breaking the rule.

After a bunch of calls since Thurs, I believe:
- Drake Maye is #Giants most likely QB pick of the top 4 (Not to say he's their No.1-ranked QB)
- I think they'd be willing to trade up for him but sounds like #Patriots and #Commanders arent moving
- I think they would strongly consider trading down if JJ McCarthy is there at 6 and #Broncos and #Vikings want to trade up. But he would be in play at 6 if offers not strong
- I'd still bet 4 QBs go in top 5 picks and so Giants end up with a great WR. Id then watch Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr

@MoveTheSticks
 left NYG out of McCarthy team list and it caught my attention because so many people were in my ear about Giants and JJ since NFL Combine


https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1782402697414488368

Quote from: kingm56 on April 22, 2024, 10:26:32 AMAs indicated by your examples, you clearly did not read all my text and/or spend time analyzing QB trajectories.  Since performance is greatly impacted by injuries, I wrote a script to compile data for each year and output tje 17-game average.  Once you eliminate injuries as a factor for perceived improvements, you can  glean the 17-game averages remain fairly consistent. 


Daniel Jones:
Year   Cmp%   Yds   TD   Int   RTG
2019   61.9   3958   31   16   87.7
2020   62.5   3574   13   12   80.4
2021   64.3   3752   15   11   84.8
2022   67.2   3405   16   5   92.5
2023   67.5   2576   6   17   70.5

2022 was the first year DJ remained healthy for all 16 games; however, his per game output was not tangibly different than his prior two seasons.  I also clearly stated that my research suggest QBs can have an anomaly year, before reverting to the mean, which is exactly what happened to DJ.

Jarred Goff

2016   54.6   2645   12   17   63.6
2017   62.1   4311   32   8   100.5 *Pro Bowl
2018   64.9   4981   34   13   101.1 *Pro Bowl
2019   62.9   4928   23   17   86.5
2020   67   4479   23   15   90
2021   67.2   3940   23   10   91.5
2022   65.1   4438   29   7   99.3   *Pro Bowl
2023   67.3   4575   30   12   97.9

This was a really odd example considering Goff was 2x Pro Bowler before he was traded to the Lions  He is, and has always been, a good QB. 

Baker Mayfield

2018   63.8   4871   35   18   93.7   *AP ORoy-2
2019   59.4   4066   23   22   78.8
2020   62.8   3786   28   9   95.9
2021   60.5   3655   21   16   83.1
2023   64.3   4044   28   10   94.6   *AP COoy-3

Last year wasn't Mayfield's best year; that occurred in 2018.  Still, he's remains consistent with his inconsistency; his linear projection is early similar.    I'm willing to bet he doesn't duplicate his performance next season. 

Geno Smith was jettison after just 22-starts; he didn't get the 25-to-30 starts I clearly indicated as threshold for predicting QB performance.  As a spot starter (including with our Giants), after his 25 game, his 17 game average were comparable to last season. 

Why didn't you include QBR? I consider it one of the top statistics for measuring QB performance.  QB rating is nice, but it doesn't take into account a QB's rushing contribution, so I never use one without the other.  In fact, I noticed you completely ignored the QB's ground game contributions in all the stats you selected.   You know rushing yards and TDs count just as much when a QB runs for them as when they throw for them.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 22, 2024, 09:51:14 AMTua and Jones aren't on the same boat and it's not close. Tua led the league in passing yards, while Jones can't execute a pass oriented offense.

Are you suggesting Tua didn't see a sizeable bump in his stats with the addition of Tyreek Hill?

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 22, 2024, 09:29:59 AMRich, my point really centers around whether they pick a QB or not and how that molds the future in the near term and long term. Think of the multi-Universe or Dimension theory, where there are many choices taking action and each action creates a reality and that reality can branch off into other realities or Dimensions. This is the year because of the timing with Jones' status and the deep QB Draft Class where one decision can have profound consequences both favorable and unfavorable. For example, those six picks can go down to 4 or five and impact the 2025 Draft if they move up. If they stay and pick a QB, if they stay and pick another position, if they trade back once or twice and the players they choose, QB included or not.

This is a pivotal Draft Year.

Ed,

I guess I just see the strong draft class as functionally an illusion owing to three QB needy teams drafting 1-3.   


The draft class of

Williams
Maye
Daniels
JJ
Penix
Nix

Sounds pretty impressive

The functional draft class (assuming the 3 QB needy teams draft 3 QBs) of

JJ
Penix
Nix

Seems a bit less impressive with the Giants drafting 3rd


I appreciate that the QB is far and away the most important position and drafting or not drafting players at that position are most impactful to teams, but I am just not that sure the QB talent that will be available to the Giants will be all that impactful, regardless of the move the Giants make or don't make.  Admittedly, from this vantage point in time, our vision is less than clear.  After all, no one was celebrating the Texans for drafting CJ Stroud.  Few people appreciated the Chiefs drafting Mahommes.  Even the Bills drafting the 3rd QB on the board or the Ravens sneaking back into round one to draft Lamar Jackson was met with much fanfare.

I guess while the draft is impactful, our witnessing it reminds me of bio-weapon attacks.   Bio-weapons have the potential to cause a great deal of death, suffering, and fear, yet the odd thing is that such an attack really isn't "witnessed"; rather it's the impact that is identified, as the deployment of such weapons usually is quite stealthy.  To some degree, that's what the draft is like.  Watching players being selected makes for great TV, as witnessed by the ratings, but the relatively unknown impact is what really matters.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 22, 2024, 09:20:00 AMRich, your pound-for-pound analysis as suggested by @AYM got me thinking that by not having a first-round pick, the Scouts and Accorsi were able to concentrate their efforts more on players later in the draft. An enormous amount of time and effort is spent on scouting the first round, visiting schools, attending games, and interviews, and bringing them in for a visit. Even having a late first-round pick requires scouting more than half that class in the event they drop. What do you both think?

I am beginning to move toward that position.  It does seem that there is talent to be had in the later rounds, but teams are far too focused on round one.   When you look at the top 30 visits, as reported, roughly half the prospects brought in are projected to go round one.  There are 7 rounds in the draft (in the Giants case 6) so half the visits are devoted to round one and half the remaining visits are left for the next five picks.

https://x.com/McShay13/status/1781040208009384369

https://x.com/PFN365/status/1782397728628048026

While I understand Ed's point, I have a different take.   I think this is a case where the first batter is walking up to the plate in the bottom of the ninth with their team down 3 runs (and no one on base).  A good draft could be the start of a game-winning rally, but it just as easily could be the beginning of the end.

The reality is the team's talent level at the start of year three of Schoen's tenure doesn't seem all that different from the talent level he inherited.  While picking 6th is nice, only 6 picks is less than ideal, in light of all the teams remaining needs.

Quote from: kingm56 on April 22, 2024, 08:53:21 AMChanging coaching, teams, talent doesn't tangibly alter their trajectory. 

That claim is simply incorrect.  We witnessed the opposite with DJ in 2022.  We witnessed it with Mayfield in Tampa.  We saw it with Goff in Detroit.   We saw it with Geno Smith in Seattle.  We saw it with Tua in Miami.  Then there are all the college QBs where you saw the transfer portal change their paths with Daniels, Penix, and Bo Nix.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 22, 2024, 08:03:42 AMQbs are either able to lift up their team and the players around them or they cant.

So is Herbert a worse QB than what the Giants fielded, since he failed to raise his team and had a worse record than the Giants?

Quote from: AYM on April 21, 2024, 06:42:40 PMI don't know if I agree with this. The 2007 draft directly caused the team to win the Superbowl as every single player heavily contributed.

Going back a couple of years, the 2005 draft was light on picks but gave us Brandon Jacobs, Corey Webster, and Justin Tuck. That was a monster draft too.

The funny thing with the 2007 draft is it gave a great bump during their rookie season, but there wasn't much sustained success



1   CB Aaron Ross   
2   WR Steve Smith   
3   DT Jay Alford
4   LS Zak DeOssie   
5   TE Kevin Boss   
6   OL Adam Koets   
7   DB Michael Johnson   
7   RB Ahmad Bradshaw


Pick for pick I think the 2005 draft class was impressive (they were missing picks due to the Eli Manning trade.  When you look at this draft and the Rams draft classes, I wonder if teams spend too much time focusing on their first pick.  It seems like teams that don't have a first-pick draft are better in the other rounds.


2   Corey Webster   43   DB
3   Justin Tuck   74   DE   
4   Brandon Jacobs   110   RB   
6   Eric Moore   186   DE      

No. 1: San Diego → New York Giants. San Diego traded Manning to the New York Giants in exchange for Philip Rivers and the Giants' third round selection in this draft (#65) and their first- and fifth-round selections in 2005[5]


While the trade certainly wasn't a bad one, we will never know what Rivers or Big Ben (and the extra draft capital) would have done with the Giants.