Big Blue Huddle

A good article on the Giants at the LSU Pro Day


https://nypost.com/2024/03/27/sports/jayden-daniels-malik-nabers-put-on-lsu-pro-day-show-in-front-of-giants/?sr_share=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost_sports

Here is a deeper dive by Greg

https://www.the33rdteam.com/drake-maye-nfl-draft-2024-combine-results-scouting-report-for-north-carolina-qb/


There is also a video by former NFL QB Chase Daniels on Maye

https://www.the33rdteam.com/daniel-very-raw-drake-maye-not-ready-to-start-in-nfl/

This is a really good article on the QB position and the draft with tons of quotes from NFL executives.


https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-execs-sound-off-on-why-teams-are-giving-up-on-qbs-so-early/

https://x.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1773357117816078823?s=20

Quote from: Philosophers on March 28, 2024, 10:32:45 AMWhat is important is how close or far apart they have each QB ranked relative to each other.  Could they be close enough that they dont have to trade up?

Joe,

It's always seemed to me that with QB, it's a special position. It's not like teams take the view of, "Well, if we don't get Jimbo, Bob will be just as good because he is nearly as talented."  There needs to be that special physical and intangible connection between the QB prospect and the team that drafts him.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on March 28, 2024, 10:26:39 AMIt was a lighthearted joke about McCarthy being immunized from potentially similar volume-based criticism.

I do think Maye is somewhat the victim of prospect fatigue and this is the time of year where hopeful teams farther down in the draft order start putting out their disinformation to try and cause drops on desirable targets.

McCarthy attempted 713 passes in college.  He has done so against some of the best defenses in college and in high-pressure situations.   I'm not sure how one couldn't evaluate a man with that body of work.

As for Maye, I keep hearing that he is scattered shot in his throwing, while others point to generally poor performances when he faces quality teams.

I personally wouldn't rule out Maye becoming a quality NFL QB, but I am sharing that when the draft season started, there was some talk that Maye should be the number one prospect, and since then, there seems to be a steady decline in how he is viewed (sort of a reverse of JJ McCarthy).

I find far too many in the draftnik and fan communities are production scouts rather than projection (of NLF caliber traits) scouts.  With Maye, it's not hard to see he has an NFL-plus caliber arm and good size, as well as the upside expectations that come with being younger and less experienced.

https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1773353428330180734?s=20

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on March 28, 2024, 10:05:05 AMMaybe if he only threw it 10-15 times per game there'd be less tape to be critical of his processing? If he falls to 6, I'd take him, but I don't see it happening.

There are many ways to evaluate a QB, but this particular way (he threw too many passes, that's why he looks flawed) wouldn't be among the ways I would choose to evaluate one.

The challenge for NYG to get a quarterback is twofold.  First, they need to fall in love with a prospect in this draft.  All the prospects in this year's class have warts that could prove problematic.

Then after they fall in love with one (or more), they need to be able to acquire the prospect.  Sitting at 6 makes that a challenge in a year where so many teams need a QB.

Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Every #Giants fan loves to jump on John Mara. Here is Joe Schoen's answer on why he didn't trade Daniel Jones.

It's curious to me that Saquon was considered vital to Daniel's success last year but not moving forward:

'He was one of our better offensive players, and we weren't giving up. We still wanted him to go out there and perform for us. I mean, we strung together some games together with Tommy, and Daniel was coming back.

'Again, I think we all wish things would have went better early in the season when Daniel was healthy. When he was coming back from the neck injury, we wanted to make sure they could go out there and operate. I think Saquon was a big part of that at that time.'

https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1773348735612850403?s=20

favor.


The 33rd Team
@The33rdTeamFB
"There is no question he possesses the physical traits to develop into a quality NFL QB with a chance to be one of 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙚𝙨𝙩."

@gregcosell
's scouting report on UNC QB Drake Maye ✍️

𝗦𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗚𝗧𝗛𝗦

- Desirable combination of size, throwing ability and athleticism. Possesses the needed traits of an NFL QB.
- Easy natural thrower with minimal effort. Could drive the ball down the field: Knee bend, hips and core torque.
- Explosive arm talent with the traits to make every throw. Can drive the ball at all levels with velocity and touch.
- Aggressively worked between the hashes with refined sense of timing and anticipation, velocity and firm touch.
- Threw with velocity when demanded and pace and touch when needed.
- Showed subtle pocket movement with two hands on the ball. Re-set his throwing platform with a firm base.
- Good athlete who can make second reaction plays, throwing and running. Also designed QB run game.
-Second reaction playmaking dimension with outstanding poise and composure outside the pocket on the move.
- Strong mental framework reflected in that bad plays did not affect him. Came right back and made good plays.
- 2023 – It is evident from tape that Maye can execute a drop back passing game with efficiency at all levels.
- Outstanding go ball and fade ball thrower, with precise ball placement, especially with no margin for error.
- Showed poise and composure to trust and work comfortably through progressions. Stayed sound in the pocket.
- Snaps he started to move then re-settled, getting his feet under him with a firm base and delivering cleanly.
- Consistently played with a calm helmet. It was evident he knew what he was seeing and how to process it.
- Poise and patience to move within the pocket when primary read was taken away to work to secondary reads.

𝗪𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦𝗘𝗦

- At times, he drifted in the pocket to his left when there was no pressure and no reason to move off the mid-line.
- Consistently showed a tendency to drift rather than stay in the pocket. Created his own pressure at times.
- At times, he was tentative in the pocket. He did not turn it loose when throws were there. Must become more decisive.
- Too many dropbacks in which he left throws on the field. Needs to process and isolate quicker from the pocket.
- At this point, he lacks a refined sense of timing-anticipation, resulting in throws that aren't made that should be.
- 2023 – Still showed tendency at times not to register and process reads, leaving clean throws on the field.
- Still too many snaps he drifted to his left when there was no pressure.
- There were a few too many misreads where he didn't process the route concept versus the coverage correctly.
- Needs to develop a better feel for pocket movement rather than running out of the pocket. Higher-level trait.
- While he threw outstanding deep ball, must become more location precise on intermediate and shorter throws.

https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1773338630267761105?s=20

Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
I know there's been some debate over what John Mara said Monday regarding trade deadline dump deals and specifically Saquon Barkley.

If you enjoy the debate, check out my good friends
@ShaunMorash
 and
@rydunleavy
 who are entertaining all those who follow this morning.

But these two points are important from Mara: 1, the timing last year regarding Saquon - NYG still held out hope that Daniel Jones' return  the week after the deadline would give them some life last year.

2, Mara still had hope that Giants could sign Saquon at their price. Obviously that did not happen, but it's also why he did not fault Schoen for not dealing him.

Message to the locker room at the time is a big point, but not every situation is the same. See Leonard Williams.
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Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 28, 2024, 09:18:42 AMThat quote makes me think Mara is still way too involved. Sounds like the subject was discussed and someone said don't trade him.  Could be the coaches given the offensive looking offense they were putting on the field, but I have to wonder.
The Eagles who have played against Barkley  2X per year (minus injuries) for 5 years and have made a lot more good moves than bad, thought he was worth signing.

One question, didnt Barkley grade out as one of the top blockers at his position the last couple of years?

As for the passing game, I disagree with peoples assessment  and am guessing Roseman does too.  This this the guy that lined up as a WR and beat Marshon Lattimore for a long TD.  RBs that can line up as WRs are definitely a commodity today. 

Matt,

I specifically watched Barkley's speed (which is independent of the O-line).  His speed (which made him a special RB) simply wasn't there last season.  He was getting caught from behind when he did have breakout runs or large holes to run through.   

As for his receiving, even Barkley knows he has issues.  He was constantly doing drills to work on his hand-eye coordination in the last two training camps I was at.

As for Howie Roseman, I don't believe he is the super genius some believe him to be.  Yes, he has made some excellent trades, and unlike the Giants, he is willing to tank to help his team gain valuable draft capital, but beyond that, Howie has drafted and signed players who have failed as well as the hits that people like to focus on.

Ric is a current CFL scout and, I believe, a former NFL scout.  He has his own takes on the draft, and his view on the quarterbacks is very different from the consensus.   It's an hour and forty-five minutes long, but the good stuff about the QBs and the WRs are both at the beginning of the pod.

https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1773163893247914056?s=20


Just reported on Talkin' Ball LIVE with Pat Leonard: source says #Giants are scheduled to send a contingent to Ann Arbor, Mich., on Easter Sunday for a private workout with Michigan QB J.J. McCarthy. Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll attending multiple pro days this week, had LSU QB Jayden Daniels today, UNC's Drake Maye tomorrow. Brandon Brown & Shea Tierney were at McCarthy's pro day, but now comes a closer look #NFLDraft