Big Blue Huddle

Really annoying. The Giants win that game against the Jets if they have a functioning kicker. I don't understand the mindset of knowingly playing an injured player who can decide games.

Quote from: Giant Jim on October 18, 2023, 06:08:23 PMMara can't, Tisch would then have full control. The Mara family's 50% is really like 51% as president John's decision breaks any ties.

I don't think this is true. The Mara family has exactly 50% and John represents that 50% and when he speaks, he also represents Tisch. That's an equilibrium that goes back many decades and it will not change now or probably ever.


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McAdoo got fired as much for his benching of Eli as for the 2-10 record the Giants had at the time.

Daboll and Schoen will be here next year, but if things continue this way, I expect the team to have a new rookie QB.

I am actually a Jones fan. But I don't believe you can come back from being hit so much in one season. Better QBs than him have had their careers ruined because of that.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 08:46:07 AMOne bad game and suddenly Jones is the worst man on the planet.  "dull-minded"?


(He) earned an economics degree at Duke, and the undergraduate program ranked No. 1 nationally when he applied. He could've attended Harvard or Princeton (he had a scholarship offer). He was a three-time Academic All-ACC selection, which requires at least a 3.00 grade-point average for the academic year.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/24/giants-hoping-daniel-jones-intelligence-shines-when-it-matters-most/

Daniel Jones had a 37 on this Wonderlic (20 is average intelligence)

Jones may have flaws, but "dull-minded" certainly isn't one of them.

Okay dull-minded was the wrong term as he is not dumb. And he is not the worst person earth (how did you conclude that??) I just meant he has a very dull personality. Again, it's not necessarily a big deal. but I find him to be very different from Eli.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 04, 2023, 08:40:46 AMConsidering that Daboll worked with Schoen at Buffalo, do you think it's a coincidence that Daboll ended up as the head coach?

No it is not a coincidence. But head coaches hire their own staff.

Schoen doesn't hire the coaching staff. Daboll does that.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 03, 2023, 06:30:15 PMSo what do you propose?  How do you not give him a
I am fearful we are living Judge/Gettleman part two

No way are we there. Joe Judge was a complete fraud, a joke. As for Gettleman, the less said, the better.

Quote from: AYM on October 04, 2023, 06:44:50 AMThere's a larger theory that since the 1950s, the Giants and Lions have essentially been the same. The difference is the Giants got LT and Eli to save them and the Lions got Barry Sanders and Megatron to try to save them.

Now Hutchinson is saving the Lions and Barkley failed to save the Giants.

There is no way on earth that you can compare the NY Giants to the multi-decades story of futility and failure that is the Detroit Lions (their current quality notwithstanding). And there was a lot more to the Giants 4 SB titles than LT and Eli.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 06:56:29 AMIf you think about it Reeves, Fassel and McAdoo all had good year 1's then declined in year 2.  Parcells and Coughlin had double digit loss year one then made the playoffs in year 2.  Though Ray Perkins had a 6-10 year 1 and declined in year 2 to 4-12 leading to the 2nd overall pick and the draft pick that changed the franchise then playoffs in year 3.  Hope Daboll is more like Ray Perkins than Reeves and Fassel.

Reeves was a story of decline. 11-5, then 9-7, then 5-11, and 6-10. But the man had a track record. He wasn't a good fit for the Giants.

Fassel's tenure was weird. 10-5-1, 8-8, 7-9, 12-4, 7-9, 10-6, 4-12. Three postseason appearances that all ended disastrously. Never put together two straight winning seasons.

Ray Perkins inherited a horrible, shell-shocked team. He went 6-10, 4-12, 9-7, and 4-5. But he helped put in the foundation for the great Parcells teams.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 04, 2023, 06:40:28 AMIs that really the case? I don't know to be honest. I am under the impression Jones has more of a personality than what we see in press conferences. If you recall, during Eli's playing days, he was kind of a dud in press conferences too. The personality he is showing now as a retiree is very different from what he was like as a 24-28 year old. Heck, even after that first SB win I wouldn't say he showed a ton of personality as a player.

Most NFL players, and professional athletes, are trained to say as little as possible in press conferences. But Eli, while goofy, was never robotic. He was always intelligent and with a good sense of humor, you can see it in interviews with him and the Super Bowl movies that NFL films made. Daniel Jones seems really dull-minded to me, not much to say at all. I wouldn't care so much about that if he was winning. But I think truly great players always have some sort of personality to them. 

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Quote from: Rambo89 on October 03, 2023, 09:57:07 AMWell John Mara thought because he had Eli's personality and was coached by the same guy Eli was in College that he would be Eli who could run.

Typical John Mara misunderstanding. Eli had a personality. DJ doesn't. He has legs.

I am hoping these are severe growing pains with a new regime that is clearly an upgrade over the previous regime. Think back to the 1980 season, the second year for GM George Young and his head coach Ray Perkins. The Maras had finally been sidelined after the Fumble in 1978. In 1979 they show signs of life, going 6-10 but showcasing a rookie QB named Phil Simms and a very decent defense. In 1980 they went 4-12 after starting 1-3. But in 1981, they go 9-7, make the playoffs and start the road to recovery. This situation is different, but it's possible the Schoen-Daboll regime is going through sophomore blues before the team can blossom. The Maras, for now, are still sidelined, thank god. What I saw last year was very encouraging. This isn't Joe Judge and Dave Gettleman and John Mara making major decisions, no way.

Daniel Jones was very consistent last year. Not spectacular, but very good and consistent.

1. Eli Manning enjoyed good protection throughout most of his NFL career, and especially from 2005 to about 2012-2013. It's one of the reasons why the man never got hurt during a decade-and-a-half-long career. That, and his amazing rubber band body.

2. If John Mara and Dave Gettleman thought Daniel Jones was another Manning, they were sorely mistaken. Eli had many faults but he was one of the best improvisers in the history of the game. He could call his own plays 90 percent of the time and if it weren't for the fact that NFL head coaches are control freaks he wouldn't even need to get calls from the sideline. That's not something Jones excels at. Also, he was a risk taker, nothing like DJ. That said, Eli was never much of an athlete and he was slow and awkward when on the run. DJ is a much better athlete and one of the best running QBs in the league. I guess they're both calm players, but Eli always had a lot more personality on and off than field than DJ has ever shown. So I don't rate DJ as highly as Eli, for now at least, but he has his good qualities. He's no Alex Smith by the way. Much better.

Excellent poster. May he rest in peace.