Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 12, 2023, 09:25:00 AMMaybe I should just drop it to 0 for good, no?

I can do that.

Quote from: LennG on October 12, 2023, 11:10:55 AMRespectfully, I disagree. Are you telling me that last year, when the team was rolling, the posts here were down? I think, if we are or were a good team, more people would come to post. When we are bad, yes, there may be more posts, but it usually comes from the core that we have, be it pro or con.
 When we are winning, there is so much more to talk about and the board is more active. Tell that to Mara and company if he values fan's opinions.

You can disagree. I've been watching it but I could be wrong.

Lenn,

There are more posters on the site when we're winning but fewer posters and more posts when we aren't.

Great post, Larry. Fair or not the totality of the evidence tells me that Jones will not be the one to hoist the Lombardi. More importantly he is now on his second neck injury(2 strikes). He takes hard hits both in and out of the pocket. So far he has been very fortunate that the neck injuries have not been career threatening, or worse have long term health effects. I don't need to be a Neurologist to know that his neck area is compromised. I am not wishing it on him, but the next time(3rd strike) he may not be as fortunate. If he gets hurt again in that area that may force a retirement. Mara stated to paraphrase that the Giants have done everything they can to mess him up. Without any proof I believe his contract was a compromise between Daboll-Schoen and Mara. Thus the two year out. Usually new regimes get to pick their own "General". Daboll's toss the surface episode told me that after all the tutelage c'mon Daniel how do you not see the open receiver. Putting aside the supporting cast issue, and I feel you can, Jones has shown he has some of the qualities needed to be a winning QB, but not enough of them.

Quote from: files58 on October 12, 2023, 11:37:17 AMGreat post, Larry. Fair or not the totality of the evidence tells me that Jones will not be the one to hoist the Lombardi. More importantly he is now on his second neck injury(2 strikes). He takes hard hits both in and out of the pocket. So far he has been very fortunate that the neck injuries have not been career threatening, or worse have long term health effects. I don't need to be a Neurologist to know that his neck area is compromised. I am not wishing it on him, but the next time(3rd strike) he may not be as fortunate. If he gets hurt again in that area that may force a retirement. Mara stated to paraphrase that the Giants have done everything they can to mess him up. Without any proof I believe his contract was a compromise between Daboll-Schoen and Mara. Thus the two year out. Usually new regimes get to pick their own "General". Daboll's toss the surface episode told me that after all the tutelage c'mon Daniel how do you not see the open receiver. Putting aside the supporting cast issue, and I feel you can, Jones has shown he has some of the qualities needed to be a winning QB, but not enough of them.

All good points. Jones has a neck like a giraffe. I'm sure he does a lot of neck exercises like we did back in our wrestling days but there's only so much you can do.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 12, 2023, 11:54:36 AMAll good points. Jones has a neck like a giraffe. I'm sure he does a lot of neck exercises like we did back in our wrestling days but there's only so much you can do.

Not to mention that since he's been in the league, in my opinion and in my observation, he seems not to know how to hit the turf properly. Even when he slides(which is too rare), it seems his upper body is prone. He leaves his body vulnerable as compared to other QBs I've observed when they are running.

Jones's neck has got nothing on Mike Glennon!

I have tried to have a balanced view on DJ.  My conclusion now (not before the season started) is that he throws too much to check down WRs which result in meaningless yards and 4th downs.

What I cant understand are the detractors who criticize every nuance of his throws and think unreasonably that getting sacked/pressured as much as he gets should not have an impact on his throws when he does have time to throw. 

Quote from: Philosophers on October 12, 2023, 12:37:52 PMI have tried to have a balanced view on DJ.  My conclusion now (not before the season started) is that he throws too much to check down WRs which result in meaningless yards and 4th downs.

What I cant understand are the detractors who criticize every nuance of his throws and think unreasonably that getting sacked/pressured as much as he gets should not have an impact on his throws when he does have time to throw. 

I agree with what you are saying, he does check it down a lot, and locks onto his receivers way to often both of which are basic fundamental errors. I also agree that the pressure he gets does affect him even on clean plays but his movement in the pocket is not good. Either because of the pressure or his fundamentals, he has a horrible habit of walking into sacks, or moving in the pocket towards the rush. His command of the offense is basic by design or limitations and it's affecting everything.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 12, 2023, 01:57:20 PMI agree with what you are saying, he does check it down a lot, and locks onto his receivers way to often both of which are basic fundamental errors. I also agree that the pressure he gets does affect him even on clean plays but his movement in the pocket is not good. Either because of the pressure or his fundamentals, he has a horrible habit of walking into sacks, or moving in the pocket towards the rush. His command of the offense is basic by design or limitations and it's affecting everything.

I have spent a lot of time analyzing his sacks then remembering sacks against Eli Manning and Phil Simms.

Remember not all sacks are the same.

Here are my observations

Simms - generally had a pocket for enough time but held onto ball too long looking for downfield throws then got sacked.

Eli - slowest dropback I ever saw from a QB so gave up precious milliseconds then moved ever so slowly in the pocket (his feet stuck in mud analogy I always said) and got swallowed up.

DJ - pretty quick drop-back but pocket collapses or a DL is already on him before he gets to his set up.  Bottom line I see is no pocket formed at all but collapsing almost immediately.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 12, 2023, 09:20:31 AMLarry,

This is an outstanding post.  I think you should debate starting threads less and starting threads more.  This is the sort of high quality content we strive for, well done 

Thank you, Rich. I am pleased and grateful for your support, and for Ed's and for that of so many others. I am encouraged to see how many folks here share my sentiments and maintain control of their emotions when as Giants fans it is not always easy to do. Certainly, it makes this old Giants fan and BBH member proud.

Cheers!

Love the post, Larry.  I'm of similar sentiment and have generally been avoiding the board because it feels too hot-takey.  For all the instant gratification football can provide when you're team is good, it can often be an exercise in patience when your team is not.  Examining the minutiae, and trying to figure out what is "wrong" often feels like an exercise in futility, or that people aren't willing to simply apply Occam's Razor.  For me, the simplest explanation of this teams inability to win is the offensive line's failures.  I don't think that absolves or changes my opinion on Daniel Jones, but to be fair to him this season is truly "wasted" and you can chalk up 17 games, a year of your life and rooting for Big Blue to a single unit with underperforming and untalented players.  It's a shame, and I don't like being a fair-weather fan, but it can be challenging to tune in and be a fan when you know the cavalry isn't around the corner, and relief might be months, or years from now.