Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Bob In PA on October 30, 2023, 03:46:43 PMThe kicker's right side preference probably figured into the OC's play call. It would have figured into mine. Bob

Actually the receiver came back from his corner route to extend time and get open for Wilson to get him the ball. Adoree Jackson completely blew the coverage perhaps thinking he has help on the inside which he did not.

Quote from: Fast Eddie Felson on October 30, 2023, 02:30:47 PMThe issue has been talked about much. Apparently, the ref only needs to touch the ball on the ground and this is considered a placement, but I`d still like confirmation from the NFL.

Why couldnt we do this at the 1 yard line when we ran out of time

Anyone see where Thibs is saying he wasn't offsides??? I did see him moving before the snap but doesn't mean he was offsides. Can anyone confirm if he indeed was offsides or not?

Quote from: sooners56 on October 30, 2023, 05:38:19 PMAnyone see where Thibs is saying he wasn't offsides??? I did see him moving before the snap but doesn't mean he was offsides. Can anyone confirm if he indeed was offsides or not?

tough to see even in the all-22. He definitely moved before the snap but he may not have crossed the plane before the ball was snapped. The line judge had the best view. I wouldn't have called it as it was that close

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 30, 2023, 10:28:16 PMtough to see even in the all-22. He definitely moved before the snap but he may not have crossed the plane before the ball was snapped. The line judge had the best view. I wouldn't have called it as it was that close

These may be better shots.

Before saying the following I'd like to emphasize that IMO he was offsides.

The head must be behind the line at the snap. Number 5 has great body-lean (the distance measured from his feet to head at the snap) and, in any event, it looked like a foul to me during live action.

NEVERTHELESS, IMO each and every penalty that does not involve discretionary cogitation by the officials should be booth-reviewable.  If you think that's "too radical" and would lengthen the game inordinately, then the rule should apply like other booth reviews... in the final two minutes of each half and in OT. There is absolutely no good reason not to have that rule. None whatsoever.

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on October 30, 2023, 11:13:05 PMBefore saying the following I'd like to emphasize that IMO he was offsides.

The head must be behind the line at the snap. Number 5 has great body-lean (the distance measured from his feet to head at the snap) and, in any event, it looked like a foul to me during live action.

NEVERTHELESS, IMO each and every penalty that does not involve discretionary cogitation by the officials should be booth-reviewable.  If you think that's "too radical" and would lengthen the game inordinately, then the rule should apply like other booth reviews... in the final two minutes of each half and in OT. There is absolutely no good reason not to have that rule. None whatsoever.

Bob

The camera angle might show him incroaching when he may not have. Like I said, the Line Judge had the best view.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 30, 2023, 11:16:18 PMThe camera angle might show him incroaching when he may not have. Like I said, the Line Judge had the best view.

Ed: IMO that's not a good reason.

Like any other review, if the booth review isn't definitive due to the angle, then the call on the field stands.

IMO some teams/players get more close calls than others. It's like the Larry Bird syndrome (that man simply could not commit a charging foul no matter how hard he tried... but if anyone breathed on him... Katie, bar the door! 

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on October 30, 2023, 11:34:15 PMEd: IMO that's not a good reason.

Like any other review, if the booth review isn't definitive due to the angle, then the call on the field stands.

IMO some teams/players get more close calls than others. It's like the Larry Bird syndrome (that man simply could not commit a charging foul no matter how hard he tried... but if anyone breathed on him... Katie, bar the door! 

Bob

Spoken like a resentful Knick fan Bob   Larry Bird was the best.  PERIOD

Quote from: Giant Obsession on October 31, 2023, 01:19:16 AMSpoken like a resentful Knick fan Bob   Larry Bird was the best.  PERIOD

GO: I was indeed a Knicks fan before the league made the game into a circus side-show. Good one.

As it applies here, however, some QB's get "breathed on" and it's a penalty.  Otherwise don't get that call.

Come to think of it, I don't remember Eli getting many (if any) questionable roughing calls, and IMO he was the closest thing the Giants have had to "football royalty" throughout the 21st century.

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on October 30, 2023, 11:34:15 PMEd: IMO that's not a good reason.

Like any other review, if the booth review isn't definitive due to the angle, then the call on the field stands.

IMO some teams/players get more close calls than others. It's like the Larry Bird syndrome (that man simply could not commit a charging foul no matter how hard he tried... but if anyone breathed on him... Katie, bar the door! 

Bob

How about this Bob? #NOTE THE RG FALSE START>
https://x.com/TheDougRush/status/1719098885375680950?

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 31, 2023, 12:15:34 PMHow about this Bob? #NOTE THE RG FALSE START>
https://x.com/TheDougRush/status/1719098885375680950?

It seemed to me that KT went on the center looking down rather than when the ball was snapped (which was after the center looked down)

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 31, 2023, 12:22:41 PMIt seemed to me that KT went on the center looking down rather than when the ball was snapped (which was after the center looked down)

The RG committed a false start before K moved.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 31, 2023, 12:42:05 PMThe RG committed a false start before K moved.

Ed: Not quibbling with that guy's conclusion. It won't surprise me if he's correct.  Just want to reiterate...

Number 5 has almost superhuman "lean"; combine that with the rule that if your helmet's off-side, it's a foul. 

It's not just feet. When watching live I thought he may have beat the snap. As you noted, view angle is crucial.

Bob

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 31, 2023, 12:42:05 PMThe RG committed a false start before K moved.

I am not sure.  It's tough to be certain, but I think he was in a 2-point stance.  He is allowed some movement as long as he resets


Article 2. False Start

It is a False Start if the ball has been placed ready for play, and, prior to the snap, an offensive player who has assumed a set position charges or moves in such a way as to simulate the start of a play, or if an offensive player who is in motion makes a sudden movement toward the line of scrimmage. Any quick abrupt movement by a single offensive player, or by several offensive players in unison, which simulates the start of the snap, is a false start.

Exception:

This does not apply to an offensive player under the center who turns his head or shoulders, unless the movement is an obvious attempt to draw an opponent offside.

Item 1. Interior Lineman. It is a False Start if an interior lineman (tackle to tackle) takes or simulates a three-point stance, and then changes his position or moves the hand that is on the ground.

Item 2. Change of Stance. An interior lineman who is in a two-point stance is permitted to reset in a three-point stance or change his position, provided that he resets prior to the snap.

Item 3. Eligible Receiver. If an eligible receiver who is on the line changes his stance, or moves to another position on the line or in the backfield, he must reset prior to the snap.

If an eligible receiver who is in the backfield changes his stance, or moves to another position in the backfield that is closer to the line of scrimmage or to a position on the line, he must reset prior to the snap. (For a backfield player who is moving parallel to or away from the line of scrimmage, see Article 7.)

Item 4. Player Under Center. It is legal for a player who has taken a position under or behind the center to go in motion, whether he has placed his hands under center, on his knees, or on the body of the center. However, it is a False Start if the action is quick and abrupt. If the player fails to come to a complete stop for at least one second prior to the ball being snapped, it is an illegal shift. See 7-4-8.

Item 5. Shotgun Formation. A player who is in position to receive the snap in shotgun formation is permitted to shift his feet prior to the snap, but any quick and abrupt movement is a False Start. This includes thrusting his hands forward when there is not a simultaneous snap.

Item 6. Attempt to Draw Offside. Any obvious attempt by the quarterback or other player in position to receive the snap to draw an opponent offside is a False Start.