Giants O-line sets a new NFL record for being bad

[T200]

I love watching you two tango. 

[Ed Vette]

The conversation about Jones is very relevant as the Line was only responsible for 4 of the 11 sacks as illustrated in the video. So the claim that the O-line sets a new NFL record for being bad is a false statement.

For a 5-year veteran to play at this level in a crucial must-win game, demonstrates his level of competency at the most important position on the team.

Telling posters they are off-topic and to stifle commentary to disprove that fallacious statement is wrong.

[Rambo89]

The conversation about Jones is very relevant as the Line was only responsible for 4 of the 11 sacks as illustrated in the video. So the claim that the O-line sets a new NFL record for being bad is a false statement.

For a 5-year veteran to play at this level in a crucial must-win game, demonstrates his level of competency at the most important position on the team.

Telling posters they are off-topic and to stifle commentary to disprove that fallacious statement is wrong.

It's all connected.  As much as offensive line play can impact a QB's play a QB's play and recognition at the LOS can impact a line's play and how they are perceived. 

[MightyGiants]

The conversation about Jones is very relevant as the Line was only responsible for 4 of the 11 sacks as illustrated in the video. So the claim that the O-line sets a new NFL record for being bad is a false statement.

For a 5-year veteran to play at this level in a crucial must-win game, demonstrates his level of competency at the most important position on the team.

Telling posters they are off-topic and to stifle commentary to disprove that fallacious statement is wrong.

Even Campbell was sacked (when was the last time a WR got a sack?).  When are we going to focus on these other areas of the team and stop excusing their poor play by blaming Daniel Jones?

[Rambo89]

Even Campbell was sacked (when was the last time a WR got a sack?).  When are we going to focus on these other areas of the team and stop excusing their poor play by blaming Daniel Jones?

No one is excusing their play.  Pointing out missed responsibilities and misreading plays that resulted in sacks does not excuse the other sacks they give up where there was nothing the QB could do. 

Point is it's misleading to put this "record setting" poor performance of the Giants pass protection just on the 5 linemen.

[MightyGiants]

No one is excusing their play. Pointing out missed responsibilities and misreading plays that resulted in sacks does not excuse the other sacks they give up where there was nothing the QB could do.

Point is it's misleading to put this "record setting" poor performance of the Giants pass protection just on the 5 linemen.

When you make excuses by blaming Jones, it creates that appearance.   You have yet to (on this thread about bad O-line play) criticize an offensive linemen.  You have exclusively criticized Daniel Jones

Let us look at PFF (where they assign sacks to the QB, so the QB is out of the equation)

Ezeudu
49.7
64th / 71 T


Bredeson
50.3
57th / 76 G


Michael Schmitz Jr.
49.0
33rd / 36 C


McKethan
49.7
58th / 76 G


Neal
42.5
68th / 71 T


As bad as those rankings are keep in mind that every one of those linemen has worse pass-blocking grades than run-blocking grades (with the exception BB)


So let us hold this O-line accountable for their historically bad performance

[Rambo89]

When you make excuses by blaming Jones, it creates that appearance.   You have yet to (on this thread about bad O-line play) criticize an offensive linemen.  You have exclusively criticized Daniel Jones

Let us look at PFF (where they assign sacks to the QB, so the QB is out of the equation)

Ezeudu
49.7
64th / 71 T


Bredeson
50.3
57th / 76 G


Michael Schmitz Jr.
49.0
33rd / 36 C


McKethan
49.7
58th / 76 G


Neal
42.5
68th / 71 T


As bad as those rankings are keep in mind that every one of those linemen has worse pass-blocking grades than run-blocking grades (with the exception BB)


So let us hold this O-line accountable for their historically bad performance

This is the issue I have with using PFF as the bible for evaluations and using these evaluations as fact when they're rated opinions.  An offensive line's play has more to do with chemistry and their play as a unit than it is any one individual players play.  And how a player on the line looks can be helped or hurt by the guy playing next to him.  Only the coaches know what the blocking assignments are and who is supposed to do what.  It's why I won't and haven't singled out any one individual and have criticized the unit as a whole.

[DragonSoul]

It's okay to say Jones had a bad game, even he admitted he did.   I do think we should stop making excuses for this terrible line.   This reminds me of the abuse I got here when I called out the now benched Glowinski

People actually liked Glo? I wanted him gone & benched even last year. By the way did anyone see how EN blocked waller in the back. That was unreal. Even without playing a full season, they may call 4 the bench as well. WTF was he seeing or doing?

[DaveBrown74]

People actually liked Glo? I wanted him gone & bench even last year. By the way did anyone see how EN blocked waller in the back. That was unreal. Even without playing a full season, they may call 4 the bench as well. WTF was he seeing or doing?

I had some hopes that Glo would be a serviceable, league-average type starter for us at OG, which would have been a nice upgrade.

He wasn't.

[MightyGiants]

People actually liked Glo? I wanted him gone & bench even last year. By the way did anyone see how EN blocked waller in the back. That was unreal. Even without playing a full season, they may call 4 the bench as well. WTF was he seeing or doing?

Yeah, it is hard to believe. I had a thread calling him out after the Dallas game.  I watched his reps in that game.  I have been watching football long enough to recognize when a veteran is just going through the motions.  I have zero tolerance for players who lack effort.  I am more sympathetic with a guy like Neal (who looks to be trying) than I have a veteran who simply isn't willing to put in the effort.  That calls for a benching and it appears the coaches agreed.

[Rambo89]

People actually liked Glo? I wanted him gone & bench even last year. By the way did anyone see how EN blocked waller in the back. That was unreal. Even without playing a full season, they may call 4 the bench as well. WTF was he seeing or doing?

I was indifferent on him.  When the unit as a whole isn't performing well with multiple combinations of players I can't single out one guy.  And I certainly wasn't going to accuse him of not being invested in playing football because of his personal life as some individuals did and never apologized for.

[MightyGiants]

I had some hopes that Glo would be a serviceable, league-average type starter for us at OG, which would have been a nice upgrade.

He wasn't.

Jeff,

My issue when he was signed was that it was a multi-year deal (three-year deal worth $20 million, $11 million of which will be guaranteed).  I appreciated the year-one cap constraints and the need for O-linemen. Still, you don't sign 30-year-old linemen with a history of mediocrity to multi-year deals (at least in my opinion).

[DaveBrown74]

Jeff,

My issue when he was signed was that it was a multi-year deal (three-year deal worth $20 million, $11 million of which will be guaranteed.  I appreciated the year-one cap constraints and the need for O-linemen. Still, you don't sign 30-year-old linemen with a history of mediocrity to multi-year deals (at least in my opinion).

Fair point and I do not disagree.

Glo was not one of Schoen's best decisions, to say the least. Including at the time (as you illustrate here).

[DragonSoul]

I had some hopes that Glo would be a serviceable, league-average type starter for us at OG, which would have been a nice upgrade.

He wasn't.

I did as well, but it got worse, not better as the season went on. And now Neal blocking his own teammate. I also have hopes for him, and I know he is nearing the full 17 game exp. but that and his comments are making me really question him now. Then again the Oline coach should have been gone as well as the ST coach on the same boat outta here.

[DragonSoul]

Yeah, it is hard to believe. I had a thread calling him out after the Dallas game.  I watched his reps in that game.  I have been watching football long enough to recognize when a veteran is just going through the motions.  I have zero tolerance for players who lack effort.  I am more sympathetic with a guy like Neal (who looks to be trying) than I have a veteran who simply isn't willing to put in the effort.  That calls for a benching and it appears the coaches agreed.

Think the coach finally did the right thing, but took him a bit longer!