Did Daboll and company's injury designation of DJ cost them the season?

[MightyGiants]

The narrative that seems to have been confirmed by the Giants is that DJ saw his spine specialist before the game and was cleared for contact.  The Giants couldn't activate him for the game because they designated him "out" Friday.   

Now I can understand the reluctance to play DJ on Sunday.  The Jets defense is fierce, and it was supposed to be rainy, and DJ hadn't practiced with the offense for three weeks (he was taking scout team snaps when he was cleared to practice with no contact).

Still, when Tyrod got hurt (which came as a surprise to no one), DJ, without practice with the offense, would have been a superior option to DeVito, whom the coaches didn't trust to pass the ball.   Had DJ come in for Taylor, the odds of winning the game would have been substantially higher.

[B1GBLUE]

The narrative that seems to have been confirmed by the Giants is that DJ saw his spine specialist before the game and was cleared for contact.  The Giants couldn't activate him for the game because they designated him "out" Friday.   

Now I can understand the reluctance to play DJ on Sunday.  The Jets defense is fierce, and it was supposed to be rainy, and DJ hadn't practiced with the offense for three weeks (he was taking scout team snaps when he was cleared to practice with no contact).

Still, when Tyrod got hurt (which came as a surprise to no one), DJ, without practice with the offense, would have been a superior option to DeVito, whom the coaches didn't trust to pass the ball.   Had DJ come in for Taylor, the odds of winning the game would have been substantially higher.

to answer the original question, no i dont think so. this season isnt going anywhere. that game didnt exactly inspire me to think that hey if we win we can do something here. it was one of the worst games ive ever seen. so does it give us a better chance of winning? of course. did it cost us the season? i dont believe so.

[MightyGiants]

to answer the original question, no i dont think so. this season isnt going anywhere. that game didnt exactly inspire me to think that hey if we win we can do something here. it was one of the worst games ive ever seen. so does it give us a better chance of winning? of course. did it cost us the season? i dont believe so.

Admittedly sneaking into the playoffs seemed like the ceiling at this point.   I am somewhat torn as a fan.  On the one hand, if the Giants need to do some major restocking being out of it before Halloween may prove to be the best outcome.  On the other hand, I prefer and enjoy seasons where the Giants are playing meaningful games in December or, better yet, January.

[Bob In PA]

The narrative that seems to have been confirmed by the Giants is that DJ saw his spine specialist before the game and was cleared for contact.  The Giants couldn't activate him for the game because they designated him "out" Friday. 

Now I can understand the reluctance to play DJ on Sunday.  The Jets defense is fierce, and it was supposed to be rainy, and DJ hadn't practiced with the offense for three weeks (he was taking scout team snaps when he was cleared to practice with no contact).

Still, when Tyrod got hurt (which came as a surprise to no one), DJ, without practice with the offense, would have been a superior option to DeVito, whom the coaches didn't trust to pass the ball.  Had DJ come in for Taylor, the odds of winning the game would have been substantially higher.

Rich: That's precisely what I speculated about yesterday and at least a majority of members disagreed.

Even if I'm right, some members IMO believe there's more to it.  I don't agree, but they make good points.

My analysis: the Giants paid Jones a lot of money and generally speaking were out-of-contention BEFORE losing to the Jets, so they believed they would/should be extra careful and give him one more week.  The move (or lack thereof) should have paid off, but the Giants snatched defeat from the jaws of victory... and here we are.

Bob

PS. There IS in my opinion good news. Now all but completely out of contention, Daboll should un-leash Jones and tell him to adjust his risk tolerance to show us everything (if anything) he has been shackled (or afraid) to attempt previously.

[MightyGiants]

Rich: That's precisely what I speculated about yesterday and at least a majority of members disagreed.

Even if I'm right, some members IMO believe there's more to it.  I don't agree, but they make good points.

My analysis: the Giants paid Jones a lot of money and generally speaking were out-of-contention BEFORE losing to the Jets, so they believed they would/should be extra careful and give him one more week.  The move (or lack thereof) should have paid off, but the Giants snatched defeat from the jaws of victory... and here we are.

Bob

PS. There IS in my opinion good news. Now all but completely out of contention, Daboll should un-leash Jones and tell him to adjust is risk tolerance to show us everything (if anything) he has been shackled (or afraid) to attempt previously.

Bob,

I think the oddest part of all of this is that for the Commanders' game, DJ was listed as questionable.  I am really curious as to why the downgrade to "out".

[Bob In PA]

Bob,

I think the oddest part of all of this is that for the Commanders' game, DJ was listed as questionable.  I am really curious as to why the downgrade to "out".

A potential solution to this mystery may have just occurred to me.

As I noted yesterday, DeVito probably didn't get any (or certainly not many) reps during practice last week because Taylor needed all he could get and Jones was lingering around with a "no contact" label but permitted to participate.

Designating Jones "out" gave DeVito all of Jones' reps. It's not far-fetched although it's a super-wild guess.

Bob

[Giant Obsession]

Daboli, as well as most of the other coaches constantly play games with the "injury" designation.  It's their way of making the opposing coaches wonder if said play might actually improve and play.

Coaches constantly trying to outsmart the opposition.  they should spend that time working with what they got healthy.

Oh where are you Andrew Thomas  ??  And never forget there was a chance Barkly may play against San Francisco, 3 days after his initial injury.

[kingm56]

I guess we forgot how 'well' DJ was playing before the injury.  To answer the question, no, this had nothing to do with how the seasons trajectory...

[MightyGiants]

I guess we forgot how 'well' DJ was playing before the injury.  To answer the question, no, this had nothing to do with how the seasons trajectory...

So you claim that DJ is no better than DeVito?

[Gmo11]

So you claim that DJ is no better than DeVito?

Better than Devito...but not really good enough to win consistently with.  At least not against any decent team.

[kingm56]

Better than Devito...but not really good enough to win consistently with.  At least not against any decent team.

Is that even in doubt any more?  The giants were 1-4 with DJ this season and 22-36-1 overall.

[MightyGiants]

Is that even in doubt any more?  The giants were 1-4 with DJ this season and 22-36-1 overall.

How do you explain a 9-7-1 and a 1-1 playoff record last year?

[Messiah717]

How do you explain a 9-7-1 and a 1-1 playoff record last year?

9-7-1 isn't bad until you add that they were 6-1 at one point.  You cannot discount a playoff victory but the Eagles humbled that very quickly.  In fact until proven otherwise there's a great distance between the Giants and the Eagles and Cowboys right now. 

[kingm56]

9-7-1 isn't bad until you ad that they were 6-1 at one point.  You cannot discount a playoff victory but the Eagles humbled that very quickly.  In fact until proven otherwise there's a great distance between the Giants and the Eagles and Cowboys right now. 

Great perspective! If I can add to it....every year teams with average QBs sneak into the playoffs, only to blown up by teams with elite passers.  Last year, the Giants, Cardinals, New England and Pitts made it to the playoffs with average QBs, and were subsequently blown-out by Phil (Hurts), Rams (Stafford), Buffalo (Allen) and KC (Mahomes).  This literally happens every year as a byproduct of NFL expanding the playoffs to 14 teams (44% of the aggregate).  To use one season out of five, when you barely made the playoffs, and were blown out, as evidence that you can win with your current QB is perplexing.  The SS Jones is sinking, it's time to abandon ship. 

[babywhales]

I certainly agree DJ would be a far superior option than Tommy as a QB.  Clearly the "out" designation reduced their options when TT went down. 

The irony is while it may have sunk the season, if it was not at that point, it may have saved DJ's career or at a minimum his career with the Giants, if that is even still possible.

DJ has not played well and has been outperformed by a backup who makes 1/8th the $'s what DJ makes. Not throwing DJ to the wolves at the last minute in the Jets game and giving him the benefit of a week of game prep will give him the highest probability for success in the Raiders Game for a player who desperately needs a quality showing. 

A double edge sword in some ways