Giants O-line issues are not from a lack of trying

[Giantleap56]

It's not the players it's the coaching. It's always been the coaching. If you can't get the players on the same page it's the coaching. OL is all about preparation, not having backups ready that's coaching. The Giants haven't had a good offensive line coach in a long long time. The Giants need to find the best and make him an offer. Go to the 49ers or Eagle poach their offensive line coach.

[DaveBrown74]

It's not the players it's the coaching. It's always been the coaching. If you can't get the players on the same page it's the coaching. OL is all about preparation, not having backups ready that's coaching. The Giants haven't had a good offensive line coach in a long long time. The Giants need to find the best and make him an offer. Go to the 49ers or Eagle poach their offensive line coach.

If it's all about the coaching and not about the players, why were some of our lines amazing under Flaherty and why were some bad? Why was the Cowboys line awesome under Colombo, and then when he came here our line still sucked? Neither of those indisputable facts line up with what you're saying.

[AZGiantFan]

Do or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

[Doc16LT56]

If it's all about the coaching and not about the players, why were some of our lines amazing under Flaherty and why were some bad? Why was the Cowboys line awesome under Colombo, and then when he came here our line still sucked? Neither of those indisputable facts line up with what you're saying.

Yup. On the one hand, we're seeing Will Hernandez and Jon Feliciano playing better on other teams. On the other hand, the Giants hired Colombo to coach the OL right after Dallas finished #1 in total offense and their OL was ranked #4. Colombo lasted half the season before he was fired.

Whatever the formula of talent, coaching and culture is needed to produce a winner, the Giants haven't found the right mix in over a decade.

[nicky1000]

It's not the players it's the coaching. It's always been the coaching. If you can't get the players on the same page it's the coaching. OL is all about preparation, not having backups ready that's coaching. The Giants haven't had a good offensive line coach in a long long time. The Giants need to find the best and make him an offer. Go to the 49ers or Eagle poach their offensive line coach.

It's Toretto, Brian, it always has been.

[londonblue]

We have a lot of young players in the OL mix who are not performing. Injuries have been a factor. Coaching HAS to be a factor. I listened to O'Hara talk about OL on a podcast a while back and he specified the three things beyond coaching and facilities he believes factor into a good OL room from a player perspective as being:

1. Intelligence - it is a complex position with lots of interdependence meaning responding fast to coaching, opponents and team mates is critical; emotional intelligence also matters to enable...

2. Camaraderie - you cannot have loners, people who can't comfortably bond into a team unit or selfish people; he was very clear you don't need a room full of extroverts but you do need a room full of guys who will rub along well and enjoy spending time together. He noted you can get away with more in college but any 'cracks' in teamwork and mutual respect can quickly become chasms under NFL pressures

3. Trust - you have to trust the coaching, trust your guys and trust yourself; mistakes get made but you don't hold grudges if guys have the right attitude, work ethic and personal accountability (hold your hands up, no excuses, no blame-shifting)

I wonder if guys like him and Diehl were to be in our OL room what they would see. I wonder if our scouts and front office understand these specifics for OL recruitment and development well enough.

[AYM]

Yeah but if memory serves those were really the only three in the first few rounds over pretty much his whole tenure, which was a solid decade.

He drafted Beatty in the 2nd round earlier than those guys - so I think the point still stands.

[Giant Jim]

Joe Judge had several offensive line coaches and advisors when Colombo was here. Line coaching was probably a confusing mess then. It could've been like having 3 different hitting coaches or golf pro's working with you the same day.