Giants Fire ST Coordinator and OL Coach

[Brooklyn Dave]

Bingo the two that HAD TO GO ARE GONE!

Now we need Barnes to Retire and things are looking up!

I wouldn't be surprised if Kafka moves on.  Now that the Bills OC was let go and it's who Dabs actually wanted I wouldn't be surprised if that is the move.

Wink going would stun me.

I would expect him to hire Ken Dorsey if Kafka leaves and if Wink Goes , probably Leslie Frasier

[DaveBrown74]

Barnes needs to retire this offseason

Here's what I don't get about the Barnes situation:

If Mara has some sort of soft spot for him and doesn't want to fire him, fine. Why does he have to? Why not let him keep his office, his salary, and some sort of nice-sounding title but make someone else the the de-facto head? Kind of like what they did with Kevin Abrams.

[DaveBrown74]

I would expect him to hire Ken Dorsey if Kafka leaves and if Wink Goes , probably Leslie Frasier

Since they just fired their STC and O line coach, wouldn't they have already fired Wink and Kafka? Seems to me they're not getting fired. I guess they could leave on their own though, and maybe that is what you were referring to.

[MightyGiants]

Here's what I don't get about the Barnes situation:

If Mara has some sort of soft spot for him and doesn't want to fire him, fine. Why does he have to? Why not let him keep his office, his salary, and some sort of nice-sounding title but make someone else the the de-facto head? Kind of like what they did with Kevin Abrams.

My take is that Barnes proves one of my professional rules-  If you are not good at your job, be likable and charismatic.  It's not just Mara who speaks highly of Barnes; the players and media speak highly of him as well (despite his objectively poor job performance).  This is especially true if you are a specialist in a field the people you report know little about (making it harder for them to evaluate your job performance).

[killarich]

RB Coach now gone

https://x.com/Giants/status/1744356064630358345?s=20

[T200]

Tim,

Considering how many players came from Buffalo and talked about how they already knew the system, how much of an impact is realistic in terms of replacing Kafka?  It seems to me this is essentially Kafka running Daboll's offense

It certainly is a possibility, Rich.

With Kafka coming from KC and Reid's coaching tree, there could have been some fundamental differences. I don't know the guy and have no idea how he and Daboll get along. I also have zero clue as to who primarily develops the weekly game plan, who calls the plays, and how much involvement Daboll has in the offense.

Having said that, I just get the sense that Kafka is playing a passive-aggressive game with Daboll. He may have a vision of how he wants to run the offense and the two are butting heads. That's 1000% speculation on my part. Be that as it may, I'd rather he not be here next season.

[DaveBrown74]

My take is that Barnes proves one of my professional rules-  If you are not good at your job, be likable and charismatic.  It's not just Mara who speaks highly of Barnes; the players and media speak highly of him as well (despite his objectively poor job performance).  This is especially true if you are a specialist in a field the people you report know little about (making it harder for them to evaluate your job performance).

I get that, and that is a reason to not kick him to the curb. If he's a feel-good guy that everyone likes having around, and he doesn't want to retire, why not make him some sort of "chief executive consultant of training" or some other fancy-sounding title, and keep him at his same salary and all other perks of his job, but bring in someone highly qualified and more up to date to be the new head? I have a hard time believing Barnes (if he's as great of a guy as everyone says) would have a huge problem with that. The bottom line is we need new leadership in this area. They can accomplish that without actually handing Barnes a pink slip, if that's such an unthinkable thing. This is precisely what happened with Abrams. I just don't get why they won't consider something like this with Barnes. I have to conclude they continue to think he's great at his job, even though the end results are extremely poor year-in and year-out over many, many years now.

[Slugsy-Narrows]

I get that, and that is a reason to not kick him to the curb. If he's a feel-good guy that everyone likes having around, and he doesn't want to retire, why not make him some sort of "chief executive consultant of training" or some other fancy-sounding title, and keep him at his same salary and all other perks of his job, but bring in someone highly qualified and more up to date to be the new head? I have a hard time believing Barnes (if he's as great of a guy as everyone says) would have a huge problem with that. The bottom line is we need new leadership in this area. They can accomplish that without actually handing Barnes a pink slip, if that's such an unthinkable thing. This is precisely what happened with Abrams. I just don't get why they won't consider something like this with Barnes. I have to conclude they continue to think he's great at his job, even though the end results are extremely poor year-in and year-out over many, many years now.

JS has to make some medical and training changes this off season!

Doing nothing and having another injury plagued year under him will have ramifications.

He cannot sit on his hands   He has to make some changes and moves.

[Philosophers]

Great news this morning.  Weakest links.  Please don't hire friends unless they are best in class at what they do.  That should be priority #1.

[MightyGiants]

I get that, and that is a reason to not kick him to the curb. If he's a feel-good guy that everyone likes having around, and he doesn't want to retire, why not make him some sort of "chief executive consultant of training" or some other fancy-sounding title, and keep him at his same salary and all other perks of his job, but bring in someone highly qualified and more up to date to be the new head? I have a hard time believing Barnes (if he's as great of a guy as everyone says) would have a huge problem with that. The bottom line is we need new leadership in this area. They can accomplish that without actually handing Barnes a pink slip, if that's such an unthinkable thing. This is precisely what happened with Abrams. I just don't get why they won't consider something like this with Barnes. I have to conclude they continue to think he's great at his job, even though the end results are extremely poor year-in and year-out over many, many years now.

Barnes is 71 years old; the Giants really don't need to "fire him".  They can let him retire or even return to a consulting role.

I am just praying someone looked at the sheer number of hamstring injuries and the excessive time lost to those hamstring injuries (along with a decade-plus-long history of being one of the most injured teams in the league) and finally do something about it.

[Ed Vette]

Again, I wonder how much time was devoted to Special Teams and position coaching. That's on Daboll. The Defensive line and Edges all struggled with the exception of Dexter Lawrence was so disruptive he compensated for the others. Leo was there most of the season too. So, yeah they needed to go but I'm open to hearing the other side of this.

[Section 101 Steve]

The Giants need to set the market for O-line coach pay.  The biggest thing the Giants can do in terms of improvement is acquire a top-notch offensive line coach.

Can't say it better than that. Go find, hire and pay a great OL coach

[uconnjack8]

I guess the theory about the Bobby Johnson / Brian Daboll friendship preventing his firing has been proven wrong.

[MightyGiants]

I guess the theory about the Bobby Johnson / Brian Daboll friendship preventing his firing has been proven wrong.

I thought that Bobby got the job via friendship, but this is the first I heard that their friendship means BJ was untouchable. 

[H-Town G-Fan]

I thought that Bobby got the job via friendship, but this is the first I heard that their friendship means BJ was untouchable. 

First time coach bringing along people he knows and trusts (i.e. professional "friends") isn't out of the question to me (especially when it wasn't all he did, hiring others from foreign orgs like Wink and Kafka). But holding on to those guys when they're out of their depth would be a bad indicator. Johnson is gone in a move that needed to be made given the complete failure of the line to develop any young players in 2 years. So Daboll's "friendship" doesn't defy performance, apparently.