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Show posts MenuQuote from: kingm56 on May 04, 2024, 06:31:52 AMDid you bother researching your own question? Clearly not...
Without Question, Eli's best season was 2011, the only year he received All-Pro votes, was a Pro Bowler, and won a SB. That year, PFF ranked the NYG Giants Oline #31 (#32 pass protection). His running game was dead-last...he and JPP carried that team to the playoffs.
Here's the exert from PFF:
Yes, they won the Super Bowl, but they did so in spite of a line that sieved pressure throughout the year. Our lowest-ranked pass protecting line had problems all over, but nowhere as bad as at the tackle positions (especially once Will Beatty was lost for the year). It wasn't just the tackles however, with every member of the Giants' line earning a negative grade. This explains the drop-off in the run game and makes the season that Eli Manning had all the more remarkable.
Best Player: Before his season was cut short, Will Beatty (-1.2) was having a good first year starting ... outside of Trent Cole showing him what for in Week 11.
Worst Player: It's hard to look past David Diehl (-48.1) who was terrible at guard, and even worse at tackle. His on field performance is simply unacceptable, giving up a ridiculous nine sacks, eight hits and 48 hurries during the regular season.
It's complete myth that Tom Brady enjoyed top-tier protection throughout his career. In 2014, 15 and 16, the online was bad. During that span, Brady continued to play at an AP/MVP level, winning more SBs.
Here's an exert:
2014:
23. New England Patriots
Pass Blocking Ranking: 31st, Run Blocking Ranking: 8th, Penalties Ranking: 19th
Stud: Our second-team All-Pro right tackle Sebastian Vollmer had himself another good year and avoided the injury bug for a change. Bonus.
Dud: The 306 snaps that Jordan Devey managed were brutal to watch at times. Not much of a pass blocker, he didn't exactly light it up in the run game either.
Breakdown: Nate Solder had a bad year by his standards and the interior gave up way too much pressure. They did bloody some rookies, but this group appeared a unit in transition, with the team trying to patch up something just good enough to not harm their skill players too much.
2015:
25. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Pass-blocking rank: 31st
Run-blocking rank: 12th
Penalties rank: 15th
Stud: Far from perfect, but Josh Kline looked the part when he got on the field.
Dud: Pick your poison here. None were truly atrocious, but most were well below average. None more so than Cameron Fleming, who allowed way too much pressure.
Summary: The good news is that, where they struggle (pass protection), they have a quarterback good enough to overcome it. But it was still so bad that you wonder how much easier (and better) life for Tom Brady could have been with better protection.
"I think we've established how atrocious the New England Patriots offensive line performed in 2015. Almost every single player to suit up on the line was hurt for some extended period of time, and the team had to rely on a series of young, inexperienced, and hurt players to protect the best player in the NFL."
According to Pro Football Focus, the Patriots offensive line ranked 31st in the league in pass protection, ahead of only the San Diego Chargers.
Key Takeaways:
1. Both the 2015 Pats and 2011 Giants won SBs with PFFs 31st and 32 ranked pass blocking olines
2. Prime Eli Manning was absolutely capable, and DID, overcome terrible oline play
3. Tom Brady was an MFP/AP/SP Winner regardless of his protection.
I could provide a lot more data points, but I know your mind is made up and no amount of objective or subjective data will change it. Regardless, your statement regarding Eli and Brady reliance on the oline has objectively been proven false.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 03, 2024, 11:21:09 AMAnd both times the Giants beat Brady-led teams in the SB they did it by breaking down his OL.
Quote from: babywhales on May 03, 2024, 09:37:53 AMConspiracy theories are a sign of the times.
I do not think Mara directs the board. Sign off on a 1st round pick or big ticket FA is not the same as steering the ship toward one
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 03, 2024, 08:20:08 AMI guess we are just ignoring that Devito got benched last year lol.
Quote from: WheresDayne on May 03, 2024, 07:26:43 AMIs this entire thread a satire?
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 02, 2024, 09:16:58 PMHe only threw the ball 2 times beyond 20 yards the first 14 weeks of his best ever season in 2022.
Jones started 6 games in 2023, Devito started 6 and Taylor started 5 games.
Jones 6 Games started 33 10+ yards, 9 20+ yards, 1 40+ yard
Devito 6 games started 37 10+ yards, 16 20+ yards, 2 40+ yard
Taylor 5 games started 45 10+ yards, 19 20+ yards 4 40+ yard
For reference
Dak had 179 10+ and 62 20+ yards
Purdy had 167 10+ 72 20+ yards
Mayfield had 145 10+ and 60 20+ yard
So even if you gave Jones an extra game he'd still only average 27 which is nothing by comparison.
Jones yard per attempt was 5.7 while Devitos was 6.2, and Taylor's 7.5
For reference
Nick Muellen started 5 games and had a yard per attempt of 8.8 he also had 16 more passes than Jones of 20+ yards in 1 less game.
Easton Stick started 5 games and had a yard per attempt of 6.0 and he had 3 more passes than Jones of 20+ yards in 1 less game.
Clearly shows he has a deep ball problem and you can see in the same time frame both Taylor and Devito threw it deep more and bad back ups in the NFL threw it significantly deeper in 1 less game than Jones.
Quote from: GloryDays on May 02, 2024, 02:02:11 PMTommy seems to be quite under-rated because of his pre-nfl portfolio. I watched a couple of his games and I really think the kid has some special ability. He has a pretty good arm. He is accurate and throws some catchable balls. His pocket presence is excellent. He can buy time and hit the target running. If no one is open he tries to run or secures the ball for minimal loss. In the Washington game, behind that atrocious line, he was sacked 9 times, but was still able to throw some nice completions and win the game.
On the Jets game, I think, they tied his hands and he still almost won that game! He could have been 4-1, in 5 games with a lousy O line and average targets.
Quote from: kartanoman on May 02, 2024, 09:10:24 AMI think the "meh" season for the ages was 1996 with a lame duck head coach, an even more broken quarterback and a former super-star running back run down to the steel walls of his tires, and hardly a WR to throw to.
Peace!